fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Early hasnt shown anything. Even when he got sent down to DLeague and got a chance to play heavy minutes he was awful.But yes I guess he can be a guy you attach to a deal. But you can do that with any young bum and you don't have to trade TYSON for him
Hey Guns... this is what you said when the trade went down:Dallas just gave us all that for a 28min overrated player wow. They seem confused thinking they are getting the champion Tyson. At least he won't catch the flu as often in Dallas
I love the UK revisionist history. At the time Tyson/JR/Felton were regarded as albatross contracts dragging us down. Tyson has played like a guy looking for one last big deal. You Guns were pretty pumped to have Felton and Tyson gone and (I thought this too) that Dalembert would give you anything Tyson did the year before. It didnt work out. We were both wrong.
You have to look at what we had going at the time and this was not a bad trade. Early hasnt had a good year but still has a stretch here he cant show something. Tyson has been great for Dallas. Calderon has done nothing for the Knicks. You know what else? It could all flip again. Tyson gets a new contract and gets the flu for another 25 games a year. Calderon goes back to being a good facilitator and deadly shooter. We also got some young guys to look at who didnt show much.
It was a trade that needed to happen, and it didnt work out, but actually still can.
If ANYONE on this board can tell me this time last year they thought Tyson would be playing at a high level I call BS. This forum was littered with Tyson sucks threads.
Fish, we are not paid 12 million dollars to be wrong. What the hell do we know from sitting on our couch? We are amateurs who don't get paid.
How many threads were there last year suggesting that Tyson should get move (along with Melo) at the deadline?
If you own a hedge fund you don't keep dogs, you flip them while they still have value. If you are not sure how to properly value/assess your assets then hire an actuary and some analytic folks along with an old time big muscle scout and they can help guide you.
We needed to clean house last season from top to bottom and actually effect culture and personnel change.
1. fire woody
2. trade shump
3. trade melo (unless you actually thought that he would give you a real discount (phil got played here? maybe ... not a good look if he did)
4. trade tyson
5. trade Timmy
6. trade anyone else that could have returned an asset
If we did this, we would be in a helluva lot better shape than we are now with another grossly overpaid damaged star, calderons contract, and some second round picks.
We could have traded for 5-6 first round picks, not been stuck with melo, and have unlimited cap space.
Could our impatient and visionless fans have stomached this? Prolly not. Could Dolan have stomached this? Who the fuk cares! He paid Phil to do the job and phil should have had the balls to do it.
Phil is making this look more and more like a money grab at best. At worst, phil has no clue what the hell he is doing (at least as far as plan A is concerned)
But again thats revisionist history... and Phil was upfront that when the experiment utterly failed they switched gears.$12mm or not, EVERY GM fails and makes bad moves. Every one. What makes the good ones good is their ability to adjust and take advantage of opportunity. Regardless of rumor Phil was not in charge at the last deadline. Yes we should have traded Shump but Phil liked him very much.
There was upside to this roster. Guys in their last years of deals you would expect to play hard for their next contracts, etc... it just didnt happen.
Look... Im not going to blow smoke. Phil hasnt made one impressive move yet. Probably hasnt made one good move yet (unless Early explodes). I get why people didnt like Calderon but NOBODY on this board could tell me Tyson was going to bounce back like he did, and Calderon has been bad so the big pieces there have not been good.
That being said he hasnt made any panic moves, has shown willingness to see he's got a bad hand and ride it out with new cards.
The most important parts of his first year are yet to come.
1)How does he execute on the draft
2)Who does he get to come and play here
Those are the two things that will determine Phil's freshman grade.
Im not defending Phil or blowing him like a hippie groupie (thanks triplethreat), Im just being patient... at least until the draft.
I don't disagree with most of what you wrote aside from the bold. The most important part of his first year has come and gone in a disastrous fashion.
If he executed the moves that I mentioned, he would have been sitting pretty. He is paid the big money to see and assess that those moves were needed and needed asap. He failed miserably.
Of course everyone makes mistakes and you can judge (final judgement) prematurely but we can judge what we have seen so far.
We are not paid to know or predict if Tyson will more valuable than he was with us or that Calderon would be a flop and a cap killer. Phil is paid to have a better vision then we do. And, it seems that many of us seemed to have a better feel of what needed to be done than he did.
The triangle? I hate the triangle and think that his stubbornness here is also a detriment especially when it seems so outdated and contrary to analytics.
And again, too early to judge but Fisher looks like he may be the wrong guy but then again, we need to have a judge who can teach the triangle so it was either him, luke walton or metta world piece. We could not actually go out and hire a proven college coach or proven assistant from a winning franchise (like budenholzer).
We are doing everything Phils way. So if it fails, its all on him. We/he can't blame Melo, Dolan, or anybody else.
I was so excited that we were bringing him in. I thought that he will bring in a new perspective, big balls, insight, assurances. I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY OF THAT (so far), so for now I am extremely let down.
I hope that what is yet to come is far better than what we have seen so far.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
