smackeddog wrote:If we'd traded first for Dragic you would have blasted him, and because he didn't you blast him. Pray tell, what should we have done this trade deadline?

U must not know How much I don't like Dragic's game::)). Why would I ever want the Knicks to trade the only pick we have for Dragic; specifically when we can use that pick to draft a future superstar like D Russell.

nixluva wrote:Typical of NY fans. You wanted a rebuild for years and now that we actually have a Prez who can pretty much do a rebuild and land a top pick all we get is complaints about Mills and Fish Yadda, Yadda, Yadda! No real discussion of the fact that we just flushed all of the garbage we had and can bring in Better players. We have more picks now since Phil came on board and more young prospects as well. Sure we could always go with the hypothetical "should've gotten more". The reality is that none of us knows that for sure. We're not dealing from a position of strength but that will change as we move along and improve the team and assets. It's a process and it's actually moving pretty well given how short of a time Phil has been here.

All of this is just the precursor to the real show. The Draft and Free Agency is when the real substance of Phil's work will be judged. Phil has added 6 picks since he's been here.

2014 draft - Added Picks 34, 51 and 57
2017 Draft - Added one 2nd rd. pick
2019 Draft - Added two 2nd rd. picks.

Dude, I love Phil. However a rookie president simply can't surround himself with people who are clueless and inexperience. Currently, we have a rookie president, head coach, and out of position Mills.

It is simply a recipe for disaster.

anrst wrote:phil rode a dirt bike with mills in the desert. they bonded there. all good.

I don't give a darn if he keeps him around; in that case, he needs to hire a couple of front office guys to do the dirty job. Offer a contract to someone within the San Antonio and OKC front offices. Those two FOS have been the model used by many teams the last decade

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Typical of NY fans. You wanted a rebuild for years and now that we actually have a Prez who can pretty much do a rebuild and land a top pick all we get is complaints about Mills and Fish Yadda, Yadda, Yadda! No real discussion of the fact that we just flushed all of the garbage we had and can bring in Better players. We have more picks now since Phil came on board and more young prospects as well. Sure we could always go with the hypothetical "should've gotten more". The reality is that none of us knows that for sure. We're not dealing from a position of strength but that will change as we move along and improve the team and assets. It's a process and it's actually moving pretty well given how short of a time Phil has been here.

All of this is just the precursor to the real show. The Draft and Free Agency is when the real substance of Phil's work will be judged. Phil has added 6 picks since he's been here.

2014 draft - Added Picks 34, 51 and 57
2017 Draft - Added one 2nd rd. pick
2019 Draft - Added two 2nd rd. picks.

Dude, I love Phil. However a rookie president simply can't surround himself with people who are clueless and inexperience. Currently, we have a rookie president, head coach, and out of position Mills.

It is simply a recipe for disaster.

You don't know that. You're simply projecting your pessimism onto Phil and his staff without really giving them a chance to execute their plan. Like others you're basing everything off of what happened while Phil was still dealing with the leftovers of the previous regime. This summer will be his 1st chance to truly build a roster that is all his. He's trying to undo a decade of mistakes and so far he's actually accomplished a lot given the depths of the mess.

Learning on the job with a rookie management team does not strike me as something that will be successful. I am a Knicks fan; thus, I want Phil to buid a winner in NY. However, until he adds some folks who know wth they are doing, I will continue to have no confidence in this group.

MS wrote:Worth starting another thread, but to date Phil gets an F for the work he has done here.

You don't move big men coming off a disappointing season in a contract year. There is just no upside and teams making a push for a title would have given up picks in order to get a starting center and who knows what else. if the cavs got two number 1's for moz tyson surely could have got us an asset.

JR and Shump have contributed in cleveland so what was the rush to move both before the deadline? we took on an additional 3.5MM in salary in Caledron and that number jumps to 7 if felton declines his option.

Fisher at 5MM a year for 5 years? how do you make him one of the highest paid coaches in the NBA, classic knicks move.

Seems like Phil just went with the flow and then panicked and moved pieces too soon.

Reminds me of Walsh when the knicks started off 5-3 and then moved jamal and zach for 10 cents on the dollar.

I love how with the power of hindsight, people are making out that the tyson trade was an obvious disaster at the time. Strange how no one said that at the time. Mosgov got 2 picks because he's locked into a cheaper contract for two seasons. tyson is expiring. You would likely have got one late first rounder for him. Instead we got two seconds (one of which was early who was projected to be a late first rounder) and Larkin. There's not much difference. Stop making out that we would have got a hundred lottery picks for him.

What happened last year when we kept shump until the deadline? Oh that's right, he got injured and we couldn't trade him. Shump and JR were not gaining value on this team. jR had the foot tear, Shump had dislocated his finger and shoulder, they had to go asap- of course, with the power of hindsight now you can travel back in time and say they didn't get injured. Well done! Also the aim was to lose more games, so it made sense to get rid of them earlier.

Everyone said Felton and JR were UNTRADEABLE, he got rid of both- let's all pretend no one said that and getting rid of them was a given!

Who gives a crap how much fisher gets paid? Once you'd offered Kerr that deal, you'd look racist if you offered Fisher less (both had zero coaching experience)

We have a shot at the number one pick, we have cap space, and with Melo we are a more tempting destination for free agents (no one wants to go to an empty team- regardless of how you feel about Melo).

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Nalod wrote:Look it up. John Gabriel and Mark Warkentein are on the knicks.
They are the guys you are speaking of.

The "F" grade you give was inevitable unless you patch it up again with the Angry savior that was Lowrey.

Im not pointing fingers about the dumb shyt thats been done for the last 15 years because thats done.
Tyson, shump, JR, Zbo, Craw are all good role players on teams propping up other players. Here they were cornerstones.

No GM would have worked magic with the bare assets we have. No picks and low value players. You starphuchers want culture, real players and a Bright young coach but what you don't want is any understanding other than hindsight ranting or patience to achieve it.

Whats next? Woodson love?

Then those 2 guys gotta go

Thats all you got? Just fire guys without viable alternative replacements?
Thats weak man, very weak.
Knicks are like an old house. You buy thinking it just needs a coat of paint and some new carpet. When you start to paint, you realize the plaster is not good, Then when it comes off you see mold and realize you have more work. once undone you realize you have to rebuild. Years of shoddy patchwork has caught up with us. Reality vs your fantasy idea that the team can be changed over nite.

gunsnewing wrote:Too many cooks in the kitchen we need a chef. Phil is head chef and needs an assistant chef. Mills is not the guy. Look no further as to why their are so many inconsistencies with the front office. Too many voices and differing opinions, on trades, injuries etc. I'm shocked Phil "Big Chief Triangle" hasn't been able to establish a front office that if on the same page

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