nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Dragic, Plumlee, and a 2nd rounder this year for Calderon, Hardaway, and the 2018 pick.

Key for me is getting Dragic's bird rights. You would be able to to use that $30 mil and still keep Dragic after you make extra signings.

Draft Jahlil or Cauley-Stein, still sign one maybe 2 from Butler and Aldridge/Gasol. Still be able to go over the cap for Dragic.

Melo is 30 or so. His window is small so unless you are trading him you have to maximize his window. Butler is still young, Dragic and Aldridge/Gasol are still in their late 20's.

Dragic is more of a pick and roll guy but I think his ability to swing to the 2 and the fact he is a better version of Calderon, who fill wanted to run his offense may go in his favor, although I admit, Dragic has little similarities to PG's that made the triangle excel in the past, like Ron Harper, BJ Armstrong, Derek Fisher...tto me it is more about a loophole to maybe get an extra player with that money.

We run the triangle yes but fish incorporated the pick and role in the triangle

The PnR was always a part of the Triangle. People just don't understand the offense. The more talented the PG the more he can do within the offense. However, if your PG is limited the offense still works. There have been TONS of opportunities for our PG's to drive but they aren't good at it and thus you would think it's the offense but it's not. The PnR is available on every possession since the Pinch post is the weak side 2 man game. Dragic should be just fine on this team. I'm just not sure we can give PHX a package they'd prefer over what Miami could give. We'll see.

Yeah, you can see examples of Phil incorporating the pick and roll with the Lakers.

nixluva wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Dragic, Plumlee, and a 2nd rounder this year for Calderon, Hardaway, and the 2018 pick.

Key for me is getting Dragic's bird rights. You would be able to to use that $30 mil and still keep Dragic after you make extra signings.

Draft Jahlil or Cauley-Stein, still sign one maybe 2 from Butler and Aldridge/Gasol. Still be able to go over the cap for Dragic.

Melo is 30 or so. His window is small so unless you are trading him you have to maximize his window. Butler is still young, Dragic and Aldridge/Gasol are still in their late 20's.

Dragic is more of a pick and roll guy but I think his ability to swing to the 2 and the fact he is a better version of Calderon, who fill wanted to run his offense may go in his favor, although I admit, Dragic has little similarities to PG's that made the triangle excel in the past, like Ron Harper, BJ Armstrong, Derek Fisher...tto me it is more about a loophole to maybe get an extra player with that money.

We run the triangle yes but fish incorporated the pick and role in the triangle

The PnR was always a part of the Triangle. People just don't understand the offense. The more talented the PG the more he can do within the offense. However, if your PG is limited the offense still works. There have been TONS of opportunities for our PG's to drive but they aren't good at it and thus you would think it's the offense but it's not. The PnR is available on every possession since the Pinch post is the weak side 2 man game. Dragic should be just fine on this team. I'm just not sure we can give PHX a package they'd prefer over what Miami could give. We'll see.

I am going to admit I don't understand the nuances of this offense other than ball movement and alot of backscreens, but the most effective I have ever seen the triangle, there was a dominant wing player and smart, solid, non ball dominating, defensive PG.

Keep in mind, I think Dragic would be a great acquisition especially at the price they want. I see no problem with it. Especially killing 2 birds with one stone and getting a young big back in Plumlee.

EwingsGlass wrote:I do not believe Dragic is worth 4 yrs 80M as the articles quote. Honestly, his numbers this season are quite blah. I understand timesharing with Bledsoe and Thomas isn't helping him, but I wouldn't want to pay max dollars for a guy one season removed from max dollars. I'd let the Lakers fall on this sword. Not for me. Pass-aroo. Not sure if there is a dollar amount that he would accept that I would want to pay.

If Lowry is worth $12 mil, there is no way in hell Dragic is worth $20mil. The problem is the Lakers are so desperate and badly run, they're the idiot team that give him bargaining power.

joec32033 wrote:Dragic, Plumlee, and a 2nd rounder this year for Calderon, Hardaway, and the 2018 pick.

Key for me is getting Dragic's bird rights. You would be able to to use that $30 mil and still keep Dragic after you make extra signings.

Draft Jahlil or Cauley-Stein, still sign one maybe 2 from Butler and Aldridge/Gasol. Still be able to go over the cap for Dragic.

Melo is 30 or so. His window is small so unless you are trading him you have to maximize his window. Butler is still young, Dragic and Aldridge/Gasol are still in their late 20's.

Dragic is more of a pick and roll guy but I think his ability to swing to the 2 and the fact he is a better version of Calderon, who fill wanted to run his offense may go in his favor, although I admit, Dragic has little similarities to PG's that made the triangle excel in the past, like Ron Harper, BJ Armstrong, Derek Fisher...tto me it is more about a loophole to maybe get an extra player with that money.

Dragic's cap hold will be $11 mil, I think, so it would leave us with about $20mil, though if we shifted Calderon's deal in the process, it would pretty much negate his cap hold.

yellowboy90 wrote:If the Knicks gave up their pick for Dragic would you be okay as a fan if it was lottery protected?

I would be good with that.

JoeC bringing up the fact we'd get his bird rights is now the main reason we should try to get him now. Calderón, THJr and a future protected #1 is fair for dragic and plumlee.

We still have our high draft pick, still could sign a max guy or break it up for 2 starters... then still resign dragic cuz of the bird rights. How's that for our luck changing for the better?

Aldridge
Melo
Plumlee
Dragic
D'Angelo Russell

boomshockalocka

Bonn1997 wrote:The Suns have the Lakers lottery pick this year, right? We could possibly swap picks in a Dragic deal.

Okay, where have you put Bonn? Why are you posting under his name?

PHX, only gets the pick if the Lakers fall out of the top 5.

yellowboy90 wrote:If the Knicks gave up their pick for Dragic would you be okay as a fan if it was lottery protected?

There is no way we should ever trade a future first rounder again.

I'm not convinced our franchise improves next year with a potentially healthy Melo, top pick and potential FA signings. We might honestly be 3-5 years away from repairing the damage of 15+ years of pathetic ownership/management of this franchise.

And that's if we're lucky!

Dragic could certainly help, but I'd also be willing to bet Calderon does much better next year with a better roster, and performs closer to his salary.

franco12 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:If the Knicks gave up their pick for Dragic would you be okay as a fan if it was lottery protected?

There is no way we should ever trade a future first rounder again.

I'm not convinced our franchise improves next year with a potentially healthy Melo, top pick and potential FA signings. We might honestly be 3-5 years away from repairing the damage of 15+ years of pathetic ownership/management of this franchise.

And that's if we're lucky!

Dragic could certainly help, but I'd also be willing to bet Calderon does much better next year with a better roster, and performs closer to his salary.

This isn't Haiti and we didn't just suffer a massive earthquake. This is sports. Having melo and a top pick plus dragic his bird rights along with possibly plumlee, being able to sign a LaMarcus or maybe Wesley Matthews.... that calls for an epic turn around. Knicks would be back in business