TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I never understood the saying that an injury won't get worse. You mean if he bangs knees with someone or even if the exact same event that caused the injury happens again, it won't worsen the injury? Nothing on the court can worsen the injury?

Those are things that can just make any situation worse. Even if you're completely healthy, banging knees can result in a bruise or something. I think Melo means that just by playing, the injury wont get worse but the problem is that it's not gonna get better without surgery it seems.

Yea you might as well throw next year in the tubes. And we don't even have a pick

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I never understood the saying that an injury won't get worse. You mean if he bangs knees with someone or even if the exact same event that caused the injury happens again, it won't worsen the injury? Nothing on the court can worsen the injury?

Those are things that can just make any situation worse. Even if you're completely healthy, banging knees can result in a bruise or something. I think Melo means that just by playing, the injury wont get worse but the problem is that it's not gonna get better without surgery it seems.

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I never understood the saying that an injury won't get worse. You mean if he bangs knees with someone or even if the exact same event that caused the injury happens again, it won't worsen the injury? Nothing on the court can worsen the injury?

Those are things that can just make any situation worse. Even if you're completely healthy, banging knees can result in a bruise or something. I think Melo means that just by playing, the injury wont get worse but the problem is that it's not gonna get better without surgery it seems.

I see what you're saying. Basically if he plays and if he doesn't have bad luck, then it is unlikely to get worse. That's different than saying that playing can't make it worse, though, which is what people here keep saying.

I used the Dizzy Dean story on another thread. Fractured his toe and adjusted his pitching motion to compensate for that injury; the new motion puts new stress on his shoulder; the new stress lead to a shoulder injury that basically ends his career as a star. If Anthony compensates for a knee injury maybe he hurts his back or his other leg if he lands differently on his feet. Remember, these guys are 6'8" 250lbs... gravity is not their friend.

If Anthony was to play in games that were played like the All Star Game, he might be able to walk through the season, even though he would still have to get the surgery. The sudden movements and action of a real game won't guarantee him immunity from another injury or further injury of his existing problem.

Anyone who has been an athlete knows that if you are into the moment and really competing, it is almost impossible for you to be aware of an injury and protect it in the heat of battle.

I will be stunned if Anthony plays another game this season. He is just waiting for Jackson/Fisher to step in- makes it easier for Anthony so he does not look selfish in his desire to play in yesterday's "game."

Can't wait to hear the new wave of whining and beeyatching if Melo does shut it down and we are in full tank mode.
By the way, how many games of the ten did we win without Melo? I forget.

Maybe the greedy overpaid digital brand-conscious clown actually just wants to win some more basketball games?
Maybe he doesn't want to be part of the worst record in franchise history and be wearing a suit through it all?

Knicks1969 wrote:

anrst wrote:he hurt the knee playing basketball. to say it can't get worse by doing the same thing that made it bad in the first place is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. it doesn't take banging knees or some unlucky thing to make it worse. it got bad by playing, so it'll get worse by playing.

this whole thing is embarassing as hell. this must be why dolan wouldn't let phil touch the medical staff.

Is this the same med-staff that has been around when Houston had his knee issues?

Pretty sure these are the same docs who examine Dolan's Cablevision workers when they develop chafed inner thighs and hands from climbing poles and installing cable wire, carpal tunnel syndrome related to continuously receiving returned converter boxes, and phone representatives exhibiting cauliflower ear problems from answering repeated calls to Cablevision because of poor service.

Dolan likes to keep everything in-house.

Bonn1997 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:75 percent of all NBA players could be shut down by their team's medical staffs for being "hurt" right now.

In pro sports, you are either "hurt" or you are "injured" If you are injured, you simply cannot function to a capacity to help your team. If you are "hurt", you are dinged up, but the expectation is you are a professional that's part of the job, and you are expected to play through it.

Melo is not injured, he's hurt. He's shutting down because the Knicks can say he's injured and don't want to risk him getting worse. The truth is, they don't want him interfering with the unintentional tank job in motion.

On Melo's side, I'm sure Leon Rose of CAA has told him that if he's "injured" that no blame for this season will fall on him. How could he help this team if he's "injured"?

If Melo has proven anything, he cares more about his 'branding' than this team and if this team wins or not.

Sitting Melo out works out for everyone - for Melo, Melo's ridiculous belief he's a legitimate 'brand', and Phil Jackson's desire to have a leverage point against criticism.

That the Knicks have to resort to this kind of soft serve back door tactic is only more proof in my mind that Melo should have been traded in the offseason. Melo and Zen Master are on a clear time clock for their careers and it's ticking away, this is one year wasted in a structure where they had no room for wasted years.

Of course Melo is an idiot when it comes to the press and when he opens his mouth. So he's found a way to even muck this all up. He should have said nothing, then played in the All Star game and shut down. Instead to make sure he was trending on Twitter or Facebook or ESPN or Instagram or whatever else, he had to make sure everyone knew ahead of time that he was debating it. For a guy who desperately wants to be a 'brand' or an icon, he does a really piss poor job of handling the press. I mean he operates at a moronic level when a microphone is shoved in his face.

Will you say that even if he has surgery?
I agree with the rest of what you've said but I don't know how severe his situation is.

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Melo wanted to recruit players over the break, he went about it the wrong way. Shutting it down would have showed how serious he was about being ready next season. Lets say the doctors cleared him to play in the all star game, playing 30 minutes on a bum knee and jacking up one shot after another and not getting teammates involved isnt exactly going to get players fighting over the chance to play in NY. If Melo needs surgery to move on from this injury, he should have it asap.

yea I would not want to join Melo after that pathetic display of selfishness

knicks1248 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:75 percent of all NBA players could be shut down by their team's medical staffs for being "hurt" right now.

In pro sports, you are either "hurt" or you are "injured" If you are injured, you simply cannot function to a capacity to help your team. If you are "hurt", you are dinged up, but the expectation is you are a professional that's part of the job, and you are expected to play through it.

Melo is not injured, he's hurt. He's shutting down because the Knicks can say he's injured and don't want to risk him getting worse. The truth is, they don't want him interfering with the unintentional tank job in motion.

On Melo's side, I'm sure Leon Rose of CAA has told him that if he's "injured" that no blame for this season will fall on him. How could he help this team if he's "injured"?

If Melo has proven anything, he cares more about his 'branding' than this team and if this team wins or not.

Sitting Melo out works out for everyone - for Melo, Melo's ridiculous belief he's a legitimate 'brand', and Phil Jackson's desire to have a leverage point against criticism.

That the Knicks have to resort to this kind of soft serve back door tactic is only more proof in my mind that Melo should have been traded in the offseason. Melo and Zen Master are on a clear time clock for their careers and it's ticking away, this is one year wasted in a structure where they had no room for wasted years.

Of course Melo is an idiot when it comes to the press and when he opens his mouth. So he's found a way to even muck this all up. He should have said nothing, then played in the All Star game and shut down. Instead to make sure he was trending on Twitter or Facebook or ESPN or Instagram or whatever else, he had to make sure everyone knew ahead of time that he was debating it. For a guy who desperately wants to be a 'brand' or an icon, he does a really piss poor job of handling the press. I mean he operates at a moronic level when a microphone is shoved in his face.

You are so full of sheet with this post. Total crap , all made up in your f'in mind

exactly, it's all in the mind.

I do believe that you start to compensate and wind up injuring something else when you play hurt. you start putting more pressure on one leg instead of two.

85% of Melohate posters have severe ED and compensate by lengthy sentences that make them more comfortable by screwing with their own mind's image of some professional millionaire athelete who they don't happen to like. Alot.

This is normally caused by a deranged fascination with a certain Taiwanese two week wonder who's been away from the franchise for years now.

All sorts of conspiracy theories and hate-filled plots surround the thought processes of these particular posters who fabricate whatever they possibly can to salve the festering wound of their missing Jeremy Lin hole. They may even entertain warm fuzzy thoughts of JJ Fishlips and any other league flotsam that has passed through and out of what they happily consider the Melo Error.

Having 10 wins thus far in the season brings these posters orgasmic joys they haven't experienced since early puberty and that first glimpse of porn. They can overlay this happiness with their incessant ramblings about how stupid their personal Lin-destroying pariah sounds. They can pontificate about what THEY would do and say, if only THEY were in Melovalent's place. And the evil one was banished from the league. Preferably Albania. Or maybe Bulgaria.

Their unabashed loyalty to this stupid Melo-enabling franchise would then be so much more tangible if only Linsy would come home and set things right again.{actual tears appear at this thought].

Bonn1997 wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:75 percent of all NBA players could be shut down by their team's medical staffs for being "hurt" right now.

In pro sports, you are either "hurt" or you are "injured" If you are injured, you simply cannot function to a capacity to help your team. If you are "hurt", you are dinged up, but the expectation is you are a professional that's part of the job, and you are expected to play through it.

Melo is not injured, he's hurt. He's shutting down because the Knicks can say he's injured and don't want to risk him getting worse. The truth is, they don't want him interfering with the unintentional tank job in motion.

On Melo's side, I'm sure Leon Rose of CAA has told him that if he's "injured" that no blame for this season will fall on him. How could he help this team if he's "injured"?

If Melo has proven anything, he cares more about his 'branding' than this team and if this team wins or not.

Sitting Melo out works out for everyone - for Melo, Melo's ridiculous belief he's a legitimate 'brand', and Phil Jackson's desire to have a leverage point against criticism.

That the Knicks have to resort to this kind of soft serve back door tactic is only more proof in my mind that Melo should have been traded in the offseason. Melo and Zen Master are on a clear time clock for their careers and it's ticking away, this is one year wasted in a structure where they had no room for wasted years.

Of course Melo is an idiot when it comes to the press and when he opens his mouth. So he's found a way to even muck this all up. He should have said nothing, then played in the All Star game and shut down. Instead to make sure he was trending on Twitter or Facebook or ESPN or Instagram or whatever else, he had to make sure everyone knew ahead of time that he was debating it. For a guy who desperately wants to be a 'brand' or an icon, he does a really piss poor job of handling the press. I mean he operates at a moronic level when a microphone is shoved in his face.

Will you say that even if he has surgery?
I agree with the rest of what you've said but I don't know how severe his situation is.

Gollleeee... the almost fair and partially balanced Bonn. I am humbled and yet enthralled by what this means to the future of humanity.