smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:knickscity wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:smackeddog wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:gunsnewing wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:mreinman wrote:Vmart wrote:Kevin Love = a glorified David Lee. In Minn he had the green light to do whatever he wanted hence numbers.
hence efficient numbers.
People are being inconsistent with their arguments here. Usually, when a guy has no supporting cast, they'll say he has no one to pass to, has to put up bad shots, and thus is shooting inefficiently.
Exactly
That line of thinking should sound very familiar here actually. Reading this thread, I'm amazed that people have forgotten that they used to make that argument.
It goes both ways, and the same could be said of you flip flopping too
Also, don't you value defense?
I was actually looking forward to seeing what Kevin Love could do this season, but he seems pretty much irrelevant to that team- his numbers are big, they lose, his numbers are small, they win. Lebron was out of the lineup and the started clocking up the loses. I'l wager if Love missed several games with that eye injury, their record will be unaffected.
The same has been said of me and I've directly addressed those claims whenever they're made. The burden is on the person to directly address the claim when it appears that there is an inconsistency. (The burden isn't just to say that other people have been charged with inconsistency too.) So, just to be clear, would you claim that having a poor supporting cast has decreased Melo's scoring efficiency but having a poor supporting cast in Minnesota increased Love's? I've seen many people here in separate discussions make these two arguments. Or is the difference in their career efficiency #s an accurate portrayal of their offensive abilities?
Of course I value defense and all the metrics I've looked at indicate that Love struggles on defense but still produces significantly more than he gives up, whereas Wiggins is still giving up more than he produces. That's not a knock on Wiggins. Almost all rookies are below average compared to veterans.
It would be nice if you could post some evidence for your claims about Love's impact on Minn. They're roughly a .700 team right now when the big 3 are healthy and losing any of the 3 would hurt them significantly IMO.
I come hear to exchange opinions about basketball, not to prepare a legal case or engage in a socratic dialogue. This is my gripe about metrics, they're turning something fun (talking s*** about basketball) into something more akin to meeting with your accountant.
Reminds me of my dad when he declined purchasing a new car he liked because it didnt come with a key. Just like "push to start", metrics and analytics are part of the NBA game now.Adjust or leave the convo, impossible to talk basketball without it now, it's part of it.
Not really, people who want to talk metrics can talk metrics, those that don't, won't
And your dad was 100% right! Ha!
What about the simple stats (non-metrics) I mentioned like the Cavs being a .700 team with the big 3 together or that replacing Love with Wiggins is the biggest change in the 25 win drop-off for Minn this year? The 1-2 with a -26 differential in the 3 games Love missed wouldn't be considered metrics, and the season-long on/off probably wouldn't either. Do you not want to discuss metrics or do you just not want to see numbers?
See, this is what I mean by selective use of stats- the .700 team with the big 3 together, doesn't really mean anything, because it doesn't actually say which of the big three is really responsible. It's like pointing to the JR trade and claiming their record is, whatever it is, with JR and Mosgov, where as in reality Mosgov is probably more the reason for their improved performance- JR just happened to be there at the same time.
Ironically, you are selecting only one of the dozen stats I presented.
The only point I was trying to make with the .700 stat was that if you take into account health, the team is not underachieving as much as people think. The reason I bring this up is that most people think the team is severely underachieving and many then use Love as the scapegoat. Admittedly, I didn't state these thoughts in the earlier posts.
