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2/13/2015  4:21 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Then he should've had the surgery 2 months ago and be playing right now. For his teammates and the owner paying him $124mil

Yeah, and wreck our rebuild by pushing us out of the lottery. Great thinking there, Guns. Maybe you should be our GM?

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2/13/2015  4:31 PM
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smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance
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2/13/2015  4:45 PM
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance

Yep, life's a risk and you can get hurt any time- are players to stop playing pickup games in the offseason now too?

Players are people and they have every right to achieve what they want to in life- all star games, Olympics, world tournaments, they all mean something to some players- more power to them.

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2/13/2015  4:53 PM
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance

No problem with George competing...BUT you really aren't looking at the bigger picture, and are you actually comparing the risk of getting hurt eating a breakfast cereal to that of extreme physical competition??

Let me make this easier for you- perhaps I worded it poorly- Would you rather see your best player compete on an off-season All-Star team, get hurt, and then miss most of your season, or would you be more happy if he was training normally and was ready to play for the regular season.

And yes, my friend, there are physical activity restrictions sometimes put on players in their contracts, and I would expect many teams would rather have their players resting and doing normal training after and before a season, and not play in an international tournament.

It is always a balancing act, and you are always looking at priorities.

Answer the Anthony question though, since he has an injury but still seems intent on playing in a meaningless game-

How will you feel if he injures himself more severely, perhaps compensating for his bad knee, and is unable to open next season in healthy condition?

Let this question rattle around inside your head with your thoughts or Cheerios and give us an honest answer.

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2/13/2015  4:57 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance

Yep, life's a risk and you can get hurt any time- are players to stop playing pickup games in the offseason now too?

Players are people and they have every right to achieve what they want to in life- all star games, Olympics, world tournaments, they all mean something to some players- more power to them.


Yup...And I'm sure you wouldn't mind your star athlete with a 100M+ contract competing in UFC fights because "they have every right to achieve what they want to in life."
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2/13/2015  5:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2015  5:10 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance

Yep, life's a risk and you can get hurt any time- are players to stop playing pickup games in the offseason now too?

Players are people and they have every right to achieve what they want to in life- all star games, Olympics, world tournaments, they all mean something to some players- more power to them.

Melo is hurt. He's been hurt since December. All the minutes played for 12years caught up to him

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2/13/2015  6:18 PM
Moonangie wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Then he should've had the surgery 2 months ago and be playing right now. For his teammates and the owner paying him $124mil

Yeah, and wreck our rebuild by pushing us out of the lottery. Great thinking there, Guns. Maybe you should be our GM?


We wouldn't be at any risk of being pushed out of the lottery. You can't be serious. Maybe pushed slightly down in the lottery but not out of it. Even that's unlikely since we're 10-30 in games he's played in.
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2/13/2015  7:13 PM
coming back from not playing competitive basketball for a long period is a tough thing in and of itself... sprewell wasn't even hurt and he came back from his suspension a totally different player...

i don't think it was too harmful for him to be playing if he couldn't make the injury worse... there really is no reason for him to be playing i the ASG tho...

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2/13/2015  7:51 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:coming back from not playing competitive basketball for a long period is a tough thing in and of itself... sprewell wasn't even hurt and he came back from his suspension a totally different player...

i don't think it was too harmful for him to be playing if he couldn't make the injury worse... there really is no reason for him to be playing i the ASG tho...

he is advertising himself. it's self-promotion pure and simple, and good for him! he is trying to cash in on his popularity and he needs to be seen, a part of the self-promotion campaign. these are his values, like them or not.

so remember why the all-star game is not a meaningless game to him, even though it is unwatchable.

the man's entitled to pursue a career outside entertaining people.

or maybe he's doing it to have some fun.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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2/13/2015  8:28 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance

No problem with George competing...BUT you really aren't looking at the bigger picture, and are you actually comparing the risk of getting hurt eating a breakfast cereal to that of extreme physical competition??

Let me make this easier for you- perhaps I worded it poorly- Would you rather see your best player compete on an off-season All-Star team, get hurt, and then miss most of your season, or would you be more happy if he was training normally and was ready to play for the regular season.

And yes, my friend, there are physical activity restrictions sometimes put on players in their contracts, and I would expect many teams would rather have their players resting and doing normal training after and before a season, and not play in an international tournament.

It is always a balancing act, and you are always looking at priorities.

Answer the Anthony question though, since he has an injury but still seems intent on playing in a meaningless game-

How will you feel if he injures himself more severely, perhaps compensating for his bad knee, and is unable to open next season in healthy condition?

Let this question rattle around inside your head with your thoughts or Cheerios and give us an honest answer.


It's not a meaningless game. I explained its value to Melo, the Knicks and a very large number of Knick fans. And to answer your question if he got hurt playing my thought would be simply that it was either bad luck or bound to happen. And this is ONE game. The only knock on the PG situation is you can make a legit complaint and that's wear and tear. That injury could have just as easily happened during offseason workouts in the Pacers gym.

Your trying to spin this into some travesty or more likely just more UK Melo fodder. He should play. People care.

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2/13/2015  8:38 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance

No problem with George competing...BUT you really aren't looking at the bigger picture, and are you actually comparing the risk of getting hurt eating a breakfast cereal to that of extreme physical competition??

Let me make this easier for you- perhaps I worded it poorly- Would you rather see your best player compete on an off-season All-Star team, get hurt, and then miss most of your season, or would you be more happy if he was training normally and was ready to play for the regular season.

And yes, my friend, there are physical activity restrictions sometimes put on players in their contracts, and I would expect many teams would rather have their players resting and doing normal training after and before a season, and not play in an international tournament.

It is always a balancing act, and you are always looking at priorities.

Answer the Anthony question though, since he has an injury but still seems intent on playing in a meaningless game-

How will you feel if he injures himself more severely, perhaps compensating for his bad knee, and is unable to open next season in healthy condition?

Let this question rattle around inside your head with your thoughts or Cheerios and give us an honest answer.

Bottom line is this: if you think you have ANY control over a player avoiding injury You'r living in a fantasy world. Go work for ANY pro sports franchise! You know more than they do!

As a Yankee fan was I pissed when Mark Texiera broke his wrist playing on the world team? No. Because having played a couple years I know injuries happen. Your the guy who says "I knew he shouldn't have played in that all star game" when god forbid a guy gets hurt.

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2/13/2015  8:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2015  8:59 PM
Some Jesse guy from Gray's Anatomy just tore his Acl in the celebrity game

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2/14/2015  3:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2015  2:07 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Some Jesse guy from Gray's Anatomy just tore his Acl in the celebrity game

How selfish and foolish of him to have risked his acting career for a meaningless game. Celebrities should be banned from being allowed to play any contact sports in their free time

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2/14/2015  1:06 PM
Whatever the motivations, it's a huge benefit to our draft prospects for Melo to sit. As a bonus, he will be able to complete his rehab before next season and be ready to go. It's a solid plan with big upside.
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2/14/2015  2:11 PM
Worst case scenerio is that this guy refuses to sit and causes more harm to the injury while in the process getting us out of lottery position
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2/14/2015  2:26 PM
smackeddog wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Some Jesse guy from Gray's Anatomy just tore his Acl in the celebrity game

How selfish and foolish of him to have risked his acting career for a meaningless game. Celebrities should be band from being allowed to play any contact sports in their free time

Kind of like comparing apples and oranges? (But funny, nonetheless...)


During the studio system in Hollywood it was common for actors to have certain aspects of their personal lives controlled or restricted by the studios they were contracted to.

For the most part shows can deal with an injury to an actor. They can film around an injury, or even give a minor character a break from the show. You can even use a substitute actor at times. Not easy to do this kind of thing with a professional athlete. The actor in question does not get paid for his contributions on the court.

I expect that there are clauses in Anthony's contract with the Knicks that will void the contract if he does this or that, just as there is a no-trade clause, $10M trade sweetener and player option for the final year which give Anthony increased power within the contract.

Once again- Would you, as a team owner, have any problem with Anthony doing something extracurricular where he risks injury and a possible loss of playing time?

Do you let an already injured Willis Reed make a dramatic entrance on to the court to play against the Lakers if it is the first game of the season, and not the final game of a championship series just because you are promoting Willis Reed bobble head dolls?

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2/14/2015  2:57 PM
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
fishmike wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Only knicks fans and media can blast a player for both not sitting out AND for sitting out. Brilliant- I'm sure every player in the league would love to play for such wonderful people!

To understand WHY a choice is made you have to look at who benefits and who is hurt from said choice. When you know the consequences it is not too difficult to make judgments on the choice.

How will you feel if for some reason Anthony is not fully ready for the beginning of next season? Will having a Knick starting in an All-Star game mean anything to you as a fan if that player was to further injure his leg and affect the next season?

As a Pacer fan are you happy that your star player was injured in an off-season All-Star type situation and missed most of your season?

Just wondering.

what a boneheaded question/remark.
Who feels worse than PG who got hurt PLAYING BASKETBALL. Whats your expectation? He never plays? No Olympics? OK.. is he allowed to practice? Pickup games? Maybe an INDY team rep should be present everytime he picks up a ball. Would that be reasonable? This is not Aaron Phucking Boone. The guy got hurt under the best cirmcumstances. Pacer fans can complain all they want, the bottom line is he got hurt. Might as well blame the cheerios he ate for breakfast. Same level of relevance

No problem with George competing...BUT you really aren't looking at the bigger picture, and are you actually comparing the risk of getting hurt eating a breakfast cereal to that of extreme physical competition??

Let me make this easier for you- perhaps I worded it poorly- Would you rather see your best player compete on an off-season All-Star team, get hurt, and then miss most of your season, or would you be more happy if he was training normally and was ready to play for the regular season.

And yes, my friend, there are physical activity restrictions sometimes put on players in their contracts, and I would expect many teams would rather have their players resting and doing normal training after and before a season, and not play in an international tournament.

It is always a balancing act, and you are always looking at priorities.

Answer the Anthony question though, since he has an injury but still seems intent on playing in a meaningless game-

How will you feel if he injures himself more severely, perhaps compensating for his bad knee, and is unable to open next season in healthy condition?

Let this question rattle around inside your head with your thoughts or Cheerios and give us an honest answer.

Bottom line is this: if you think you have ANY control over a player avoiding injury You'r living in a fantasy world. Go work for ANY pro sports franchise! You know more than they do!

As a Yankee fan was I pissed when Mark Texiera broke his wrist playing on the world team? No. Because having played a couple years I know injuries happen. Your the guy who says "I knew he shouldn't have played in that all star game" when god forbid a guy gets hurt.


We are talking apples and oranges once again.

Was Texiera playing with a known injury? Anthony has an injury to his knee that will require surgery in the near future. This is a known fact at this time.

Of course there are ways to minimize the possibility of injuries. Look at what the NFL is doing in regard to concussions and head to head contact.

Do you know the story about Dizzy Dean, the famous pitcher from the 1940's? Got hit in the toe by a batted ball and it fractured...

It was this toe injury that led to Dean’s injury-shortened career. While still nursing a sore foot, Dean resumed pitching. The soreness caused him to change his pitching mechanics, leading to the shoulder and arm problems that Dean was never able to fully overcome, leading to his retirement in 1941. (http://www.hardballtimes.com/tht-live/the-dizzy-dean-injury-cascade/)

Very dangerous to compensate for an injury on the court and at full speed, especially in a fast moving game like basketball. A players legs are his livelihood. They go and his career goes.

As soon as it was determined that Anthony needed surgery this season he should have been shut down.

If we had a shot at the playoffs, and you believe the 2 month recovery thing, then shut him down the first time we know about the injury in December and let him come back the end of the year.

If we really have a chance to make the playoffs and we find out late and have multiple doctors who tell us it cannot get worse playing on it, then I might let him play through it and into the playoffs. But our season is over, and getting hurt even more in a meaningless All-Star game is not a smart move for the Knicks and their investment.

Anthony playing in this game is not really an arguable matter, IMO, even if I am doing just that.

I just hope e doesn't hurt himself more than he already is.

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2/14/2015  10:42 PM
Good move on Melo's part. We really need him healthy for next season when everything will come together.
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