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would the lakers take Calderon for Lin
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TeamBall
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2/10/2015  11:57 AM
jrodmc wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:seems like a good fit a vet to teach the kids for LA. Lin a new york fan favorite who is struggling to find time in LA, back in nyc for the rest of the year. Lin would also come cheap for next season if we wanted him back.


Calderon is the on the books for 7.4 million in 2015 and 7.7 million in 2016.

He's probably an interesting reserve, but not at that price point. He can't play defense, and as he ages even further, the rate of potential games lost to injury increase.

If the Lakers want a useful mentoring situation, they can just find an ex NBA point guard who wants a coaching position and make him some kind of player development low level crony.

To practically move Calderon, the Knicks will have to give up an asset to do it.

Taking back Lin in a deal would be an open admission that Melo and Dolan were wrong, very wrong, about pushing him out the door in the first place.

With Lin, Chandler played well with him and so did Novak. If Novak is playing well, no need to try to dump his contract, thus no Bargani and no loss of a 1st and two 2nds. Lin on the roster means no Felton. Getting Felton cost the Knicks a couple of 2nd rounders and Papanikolaou. With Lin, no need to take back a bad contract in Calderon to just get Fatty McGunRunner Felton out the door.

Even if the Knicks traded for Lin, why would he resign with the Knicks? For the first time in his career, he will have a true choice on his destination in the offseason. Why go to the team where Melo goes crying to Leon Rose to go crying to Stephen A Smith to do the "Can You Just Give Me 15 Minutes" tirade.

The Calderon problem and the failure point in the Chandler trade and the Bargnani problem all root from the "tax" on Dolan and Melo for driving Lin off the roster.

I'm sure a smug selfish chucker like Melo wonders why the crowd is cheering MVP for Lin.

I don't know Melo, why don't you show up in shape and play some mother ****ing defense and maybe you would.


God let it go...

There must be some pychological study out there that proves the direct tie from LinLove to MeloHate; or vice versa.

MVP cheers for Lin. He even posts that like it's still happening today, not two (three?) years ago.


Two effin weeks that haven't been reconstituted in any way, shape or form since.
I can see the new book on the shelves this summer: Jeremy Lin: Finally, A True Choice.


This whole opinion-turned-fact that Melo orchestrated with Dolan behind the scenes to have Lin ousted from the team is too much.
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2/10/2015  5:11 PM
Taking Lin now is only good for marketing.. getting the Asian fans all around the world, but that's it. He's horrible in triangle/triangle-and-two defense.
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2/10/2015  6:01 PM
TeamBall wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
jrodmc wrote:There must be some pychological study out there that proves the direct tie from LinLove to MeloHate; or vice versa.

Since Lin left, things have only gotten worse.

Linsanity was the last time the Knicks played true team basketball and had clear rock solid leadership with a future in the locker room.

The Knicks would have simply been better off keeping Lin, Chandler, Jeffries and Novak and trading off Melo. The entire trajectory of the franchise would be different.

The entire Calderon problem is an offshoot of the decision to push Lin off the roster. Of course some of you are going to push the CAA induced media narrative that Lin was a selfish contract hungry mercenary. Never mind he signed the only deal in front of him, which the Knicks told him to pursue ( if they valued him and wanted him, should have signed him without all the pomp and circumstance and risk) That Knicks front office execs were in hiding to avoid getting handed the offer sheet to start the time clock on it was pathetic.

The Knicks found something, albeit via almost dumb luck, that worked for them. It only lasted a few weeks because Melo came back, Melo dogged it until Pringles got clipped, because he couldn't handle the Lin spotlight.

Melo has gotten virtually everything he wanted from the Knicks. And where has it gotten this franchise?

Every positive aspect of the Linsanity situation has been shipped off. And have the Knicks gotten better or worse?

It's not MeloHate, nor is it LinLove, it's Knicks Loyalty. I'm loyal to the Knicks, not Melo. Melo behaves in a manner like he's above the team, above doing the dirty work needed to win, above doing the things required of a "franchise player"

I don't "hate" Melo, I'm just not going to sit here and excuse his behavior, and try to rationalize it like some of you. He's a coach killer, selfish no defense low BB IQ chucker who simply says stupid thing after stupid thing in the press while showing off his latest hat. Right now he's risking further injury, if he's truly hurt at all, just to make it to the All Star game simply for his branding. Great for Melo's branding, but is it great for the Knicks investment in the next four years of him?

Maybe there should be a psychological study done to explain why some folks are ok setting the bar so goddamn low in regards to their loyalty to the Knicks.

Do you really need a 70 year old geriatric first time GM making 60 million plus a first time coach making 25 million to basically tell you that you need to play team basketball to win? The Knicks could have had that if they just left things alone with Lin, accepted they got a gift from the basketball gods, to fill a position of need, at no cost to acquire, who gave them leadership and international appeal and galvanized team basketball and made players around him better.

The Knicks could have saved a hell of a lot of front office money, saved a hell of alot of team assets and have been playing the game the right way since Linsanity started. And if the team won or lost, they would have played team ball, playing the right way, playing tough in a way that Knicks fans could be proud of every night.


In what world does Knicks Loyalty encompass pining for, admiring, and obsessively defending a player thats not even on the team? I'm not saying you're not loyal to the Knicks, or that you can't like players that aren't on the team (Love watching me some Lillard) but don't go on this tirade about how this is all about your Knicks loyalty when this is most obviously about how you miss Lin.
This. Interesting that Triple joined the forum during Linsanity. Also, Phil has been 70 since before his 69th birthday. Apparently it is really important to point out that he is almost starting his 7th decade.
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2/10/2015  6:25 PM
I see Calderon as part of the solution... he played like crp for most of the year but of late he's been all right
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2/10/2015  9:56 PM
Why would the Knicks want to downgrade at the PG position?
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2/11/2015  11:05 AM
I won't cry if we don't move Calderon- I don't think we need the money this offseason, we have enough to take the step we need to make.

Hornets are now out of the running for him. I doubt Detroit go for him, judging by how well Augustine is playing stand in PG. Maybe Rockets if they can't get Dragic, but again doubtful. Maybe the TWolves would take him to teach Rubio how to shoot. Again doubtful.

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