If anyone has a link it would be much appreciated.

FistOfOakley wrote:his usg rates in china were pretty high.... meaning he usually played with the ball in his hands... he's a bad fit here...

where did you find his stats?

you'll have to plug in the numbers to find usg rate but i remember it being pretty high

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:The thing I think Mudiay would bring is that Elite Scoring Guard factor we don't have. He's not a great shooter at this point but his ability with the ball and his athleticism could give him that Kobe like Factor this offense needs. We need a player who can make something out of nothing at times besides just Melo being the bailout. D. Russell could do some of that but minus the athletic ability and getting to the rim with regularity. This is where Mudiay would have an edge. It would be a tough call but they'd be betting on Mudiay's upside.

I kind of agree with you about him being the type of player for this system.

Risky ... hope that we just draft the best player and tweak this damn offensive system if needed.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:The thing I think Mudiay would bring is that Elite Scoring Guard factor we don't have. He's not a great shooter at this point but his ability with the ball and his athleticism could give him that Kobe like Factor this offense needs. We need a player who can make something out of nothing at times besides just Melo being the bailout. D. Russell could do some of that but minus the athletic ability and getting to the rim with regularity. This is where Mudiay would have an edge. It would be a tough call but they'd be betting on Mudiay's upside.

I kind of agree with you about him being the type of player for this system.

Risky ... hope that we just draft the best player and tweak this damn offensive system if needed.

Don't forget that Jordan and Kobe were able to score at will in this offense. It only looks less potent when you have players who are limited and can't take advantage of the openings. Our guards miss a ton of openings every game.

He is not Kobe or Jordan.

I agree that he probably would knock down open shots that our stinky guards have been missing but that would not be enough for the talent that he has the potential to bring. I am not looking for just a Steve Kerr.

Nixluva, how great do you think he could be in an MDA style offense? Or Atlanta? GS? I think that he could be really good. In the triangle? I have reservations and think that it could hold a guy like him back.

Of course this all remains to be seen.

I still thinks that Phil goes for a big or a big guard like Mudiay (hope to hell not).

If there is any player that has ever reminded me of Curry its Russell. The size, the silkiness, the lights out shooting, his body language, the great passing and court vision etc ...

This is turning into a really good draft, at least at the top.

Even in the Triangle they could open up the full court aspect of the game by pushing the ball more effectively. That's a part of the game we often underutilize. Pushing the ball and looking for early offense is actually part of the Triangle offense as is the 2 man game and PnR. The strong side Triangle opens up the floor for SG/SF on the weak side. Just gotta have the talent and quickness to take advantage of it.

Phil LOVES Curry. The thing to remember about the Triangle is that it's extremely flexible and can be tailored to highlight whatever is your teams best player. When he had Shaq they could highlight him and still accommodate Kobe's game. While it's not as open as MDA's style it isn't something that would necessarily inhibit a player like Russell or Mudiay. Russell and Mudiay are both 6-5 and talented guards offensively.

I think Phil would like to have a guard like Russell or Mudiay. A big like Okafor or Towns is gonna be more of a project. We still would need that creative player who can make plays for others and themselves. The skill level is what makes Russell so much of a positive impact for his team. We could get decent production from a lot of different bigs that aren't as talented as Okafor, but it would be hard to find a guard with the talent Russell is showing right now. I'd rather draft Russell and sign R. Lopez to play C. I think it would have a greater impact on the team.

Knicks1969 wrote:MDA is and was a terrible coach. He was only successful because of Nash. If I am wrong please tell where else he has had success with his stupid system?

Knicks1969 wrote:MDA is and was a terrible coach. He was only successful because of Nash. If I am wrong please tell where else he has had success with his stupid system?

Nash is a great player but he would NEVER have reached the heights he did without MDA and his system. To suggest such a thing is pure ignorance. There's never been a player who's made such a jump in production at the age Nash did when he got with MDA. Nash was 30 when he got with MDA and immediately his production and efficiency went up. Just imagine Melo becoming a 2 time MVP at this age!!! MDA has proven to have a positive impact when given support. His contribution to the league was to bring an efficient style of play and make the game more exciting again and now it's common place to see teams running his stuff. If it wasn't of value the style wouldn't be in use by so many teams. Ask Kerr what he thinks of that system since it's a huge part of what he's doing right now. He brought in Alvin Gentry as his top assistant who knows MDA's system inside out and ran it in PHX with Nash.

The thing is that neither in NY nor LA did MDA's GM actually try to work with him and mold a team that could actually run his system. He's a system coach and if you hire a system coach like Phil as well, you really do need to at least try to give him what he needs to make it work. Don't kill MDA for the dysfunction of NY and LA's front offices. That's where the problem started. Also the players have to buy in and give a full effort to adjust to the system. All a GM had to do was get him a PG and some shooters to work with. A big who can defend and set picks and one who can step out and be a stretch PF.

But with the Knicks Phil has given Fish the option to adjust the Triangle as he sees fit. Right now this team needs to improve the talent and once you have better players it's easier to make tweaks to make use of a players strengths. There's not really enough talent yet to do that. It will be very interesting to see how this evolves in the future.

BigDaddyG wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:MDA is and was a terrible coach. He was only successful because of Nash. If I am wrong please tell where else he has had success with his stupid system?

Nash is a great player but he would NEVER have reached the heights he did without MDA and his system. To suggest such a thing is pure ignorance. There's never been a player who's made such a jump in production at the age Nash did when he got with MDA. Nash was 30 when he got with MDA and immediately his production and efficiency went up. Just imagine Melo becoming a 2 time MVP at this age!!! MDA has proven to have a positive impact when given support. His contribution to the league was to bring an efficient style of play and make the game more exciting again and now it's common place to see teams running his stuff. If it wasn't of value the style wouldn't be in use by so many teams. Ask Kerr what he thinks of that system since it's a huge part of what he's doing right now. He brought in Alvin Gentry as his top assistant who knows MDA's system inside out and ran it in PHX with Nash.

The thing is that neither in NY nor LA did MDA's GM actually try to work with him and mold a team that could actually run his system. He's a system coach and if you hire a system coach like Phil as well, you really do need to at least try to give him what he needs to make it work. Don't kill MDA for the dysfunction of NY and LA's front offices. That's where the problem started. Also the players have to buy in and give a full effort to adjust to the system. All a GM had to do was get him a PG and some shooters to work with. A big who can defend and set picks and one who can step out and be a stretch PF.

But with the Knicks Phil has given Fish the option to adjust the Triangle as he sees fit. Right now this team needs to improve the talent and once you have better players it's easier to make tweaks to make use of a players strengths. There's not really enough talent yet to do that. It will be very interesting to see how this evolves in the future.

Sometimes it's as simple as putting your best players in positions to succeed. Phil did that with the Bulls and Lakers. Look at Pau. Everyone thought he was possibly washed up last year. He goes to the bulls and he's beasting again. No one will ever confuse Thibs for being an offensive genious, but he is bright enough to figure out Pau shouldn't be camped out at the three point line. I understand has his system. But don't you think he owes to the team to better utilize a post threat like Pau if he has one? Many of problems where cause by his own stubbornness.

FistOfOakley wrote:that's absolutely right... it sort of speaks loudly of lakers/knicks ownership that you hire a 'big name' but continually undermine what he does best...

What about Steve Kerr in Phoenix? There's a pattern with and we see it over and over again. We crap on Woodson, but the dude came in with same roster and was flexible enough to utilize it too the best of his capabilities. The Knicks and Lakers do deserve blame for hiring a guy who constantly using his "system" as crutch. It's almost as pathetic as Rick Pitino blaming his misfortunes in Boston on the fact that he didn't draft Tim Duncan.