He is a good outside shooter... but when the legs go the shots don't go in- especially from distance.

Bradley is a great defensive guard, but, for the most part, I didn't think Galloway was really looking for shots. Bradley hit some crazy shots from the outside, today, but he also had better penetration against Galloway than is acceptable, IMO.

Also remember something Fisher said about the Triangle months ago- guys have to cut to the basket as if they want the ball- I thought Galloway's cuts were more of the "clear the area" type- just going through the motions.

Did see him making a number of picks for other players, and he had 5 assists in the first half, but I expect more from him, especially with his jumper.

He has never been known for creating his own shots- they need to come within the flow of the offense. Guys have to find him, but he also has to get himself into the right position to encourage teammates to pass to him. Having some picks set for him would be nice.

He grows and evolves as a player, or his minutes will be minimized at some point. I see him as a 20-25 MPG guy, but who really knows what kind of player he will end up being.

gunsnewing wrote:Problem is teams no longer trade picks like candy. Teams value cheap young talent more than ever. Contending teams will trade picks like Cleveland did for a big like Movgov.

Problem is THJ has no value on a championship caliber team. He's too much of a defensive liability. He'd be gone already if Larry Brown was coaching. He would be labeled Delusional v2.0

he is becoming more of an offensive liability.

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Problem is teams no longer trade picks like candy. Teams value cheap young talent more than ever. Contending teams will trade picks like Cleveland did for a big like Movgov.

Problem is THJ has no value on a championship caliber team. He's too much of a defensive liability. He'd be gone already if Larry Brown was coaching. He would be labeled Delusional v2.0

he is becoming more of an offensive liability.

You might be able to chalk that up to a sophomore slump but I have no time for streaky players. At his best he is a poor man's Jr. Since JR is actually capable of doing a little more on the floor other than shoot. THJ is a career 6-7th man at best

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Problem is teams no longer trade picks like candy. Teams value cheap young talent more than ever. Contending teams will trade picks like Cleveland did for a big like Movgov.

Problem is THJ has no value on a championship caliber team. He's too much of a defensive liability. He'd be gone already if Larry Brown was coaching. He would be labeled Delusional v2.0

he is becoming more of an offensive liability.

You might be able to chalk that up to a sophomore slump but I have no time for streaky players. At his best he is a poor man's Jr. Since JR is actually capable of doing a little more on the floor other than shoot. THJ is a career 6-7th man at best

Did not like him last year either. Way too streaky and one dimensional. He is not one iota like JR

Nope. I never understood why we drafted him in the first place when we had Shumpert and were planning on resigning JR. I would still take Shumpert over THJ 10 out of 10 times. Unfortunately Shump had to go cos he was a cap casualty and had to be included to rid us of JR's "ridiculous" contract

They both don't do it for me.

BRIGGS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:some shots are not falling which is going to happen with any rookie as they try to discover what they can and can't do in this league....

his secondary numbers are good even when his shot is off... ast/to... steals numbers are all very promising... and all point to a guy who deserves to play significant minutes on a good team...

whether he is a 6th man playing 15-20 minutes a game or a passable starter playing 30+ is going to depend entirely upon how well he can shoot...

by all accounts he profiles alot like derek fisher with better ability to attack the basket which is worth alot more than what we had to invest...

he's good.. give him time...

Yeah take a look at his match ups defensively against Stuckey and Bradley. Not only could he NOT score he could not get stops 1-1. He's a heart player with SOME skill a 10-13th player on a team--not a starting 5 guy.

Agreed. I've felt that way about him for awhile now. I know Phil's thinking is triangle this, triangle that and it's OK if our guards lack creativity/penetration -- I just can't for the life of me see settling for a PG like a Jose Calderon or Langston Galloway and thinking that's good enough -- a guy that CANNOT get to the rim off some kind of penetration on a consistent basis. It's such a flawed way of thinking about our PG spot. Maybe that's OK when you have the two best players in the sport at two separate time intervals (Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq). You put Galloway out there with MJ, Kobe and/or a point forward like a Scottie Pippen and have him play off the ball, he'd be fine. Melo's great, but he's not that type of player. He needs players around him that offer penetration, quickness, ball-handling, some creativity etc. With this team we're trying to build here, I think it's extremely misguided if they think they don't need a PG that can both break guys down off the dribble a little bit and push it for some easy baskets. Galloway's OK, not terrible, but we can do better. He's not really a PG--the man's better off the ball and then yeah, you're looking at a 6'2" SG...Melo said recently that Galloway reminds him of Jeremy Lin. I mean I don't see that at all. At the height of "Linsanity," Lin was breaking down guys off the dribble all over the place + converting from the perimeter etc. Galloway offers very little off the dribble. They're really nothing alike...Personally, I'd love to see a HUGE upgrade at the point by the start of next season. I'd like to see TWO new legit PGs with the ability to knock down open threes and move the ball, sure, but also guys that can get deep in the lane and get out and play a little transition ball too. I keep going back to the same guys -- Brandon Knight, Goran Dragic, Mudiay in the draft, I'd love to bring in Bryce Cotton right now for a look on a 10-day contract, etc.. I want well-rounded PGs, not guys that just shoot 3s and move the ball side to side...I think they know Galloway's not the answer--that's why they hesitated signing him to any kind of a guaranteed deal for next year.

BRIGGS wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:some shots are not falling which is going to happen with any rookie as they try to discover what they can and can't do in this league....

his secondary numbers are good even when his shot is off... ast/to... steals numbers are all very promising... and all point to a guy who deserves to play significant minutes on a good team...

whether he is a 6th man playing 15-20 minutes a game or a passable starter playing 30+ is going to depend entirely upon how well he can shoot...

by all accounts he profiles alot like derek fisher with better ability to attack the basket which is worth alot more than what we had to invest...

he's good.. give him time...

Yeah take a look at his match ups defensively against Stuckey and Bradley. Not only could he NOT score he could not get stops 1-1. He's a heart player with SOME skill a 10-13th player on a team--not a starting 5 guy.

Starks was a small-ish SG who played with heart but was hella streaky. And he became one of the most beloved Knicks of all time. Don't sell "heart" too cheaply - it matters to Knicks fans, particularly in light of the no-heart-me-first-BS we have become accustomed to seeing.

He's a keeper for now, worth 15mpg to develop.