I do not want to see another JCrawford playing against us after few years.

He's a mid first round pick. He is certainly struggling this year. But, then we have the worst record in the NBA. I'd want to see if we build a better roster for next season and start off better, how he performs.

I'm not saying he's going to be a starter, but a nice three point shooter off the bench to help open things up.

Some of you folks are saying dump him- but its like throwing away a $20 bill you found on the sidewalk because its not a hundred.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:This kid can be a special player if he truly put in the time to study the game. He is a legit 6'6" player that can already play at a very high level. However, he is not playing the game as one who is hungry for stardom. He often settles for the three point shot, which in my judgement could be his demise. He can put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket; furthermore, he has a nice array of shots in his repertoire that he can use. If he simply can stop shooting the three ball so much, and be more active without the ball, he will be special.

Defensively, we already know he is horrible, but he has shown some improvements thus far.

THJ is not a good NBA player. Lets move on ...

Don't give up on a young talent that quickly dude. Give him at least 3 years

FistOfOakley wrote:he's jj redick without a 3pt shot....

nixluva wrote:It just surprises me that so many fans have such a lack of patience for our own draft pick. Ok so we didn't get all we wanted from Shump that doesn't mean every pick you give up on if they don't immediately put it all together. There's enough there to work with. If he ever figures it out he can be a really good player and he's ours.

What is there? He doesn't score, rebound, pass, shoot, or defend well. The only think he has going for him is a rookie contract and youth.

nixluva wrote:It just surprises me that so many fans have such a lack of patience for our own draft pick. Ok so we didn't get all we wanted from Shump that doesn't mean every pick you give up on if they don't immediately put it all together. There's enough there to work with. If he ever figures it out he can be a really good player and he's ours.

nixluva wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

nixluva wrote:It just surprises me that so many fans have such a lack of patience for our own draft pick. Ok so we didn't get all we wanted from Shump that doesn't mean every pick you give up on if they don't immediately put it all together. There's enough there to work with. If he ever figures it out he can be a really good player and he's ours.

He's also a good player in transition. Problem is that we don't have a PG who can consistently push in transition. We also have problems controlling the boards.

That will change. We know this roster is gonna be upgraded in some fashion. THJ has a lot of things to improve on but some fans act as if it's impossible for him to make needed improvement and that doesn't mean he's gonna end up starter material. THJ could be a good reserve off the bench. We don't know what his ceiling is but I doubt he's reached his full potential yet.

Just because some people are critical of THjr doesn't mean we think it's IMPOSSIBLE that he will ever improve. Nix, this is your response to anyone who doesn't take the most optimistic take on any Knick player, or Knick FO decision, etc. You simply label the naysayer a pessimist troll or a typical impatient knicks fan or whatever. Come on, man. There is nothing wrong with being optimistic but you can't simply dismiss opposing views by equating them with the most extreme negative end of the argument and write it off as nonsense.

THjr has a ton of talent but the problem is IMO it is unlikely he will ever put it all together at this point unfortunately that's the most likely outcome. Why? Because he's shown Z E R O improvement over his rookie campaign. Last year he shot decently but was a minus in literally every other category. This season he has not improved in any of those categories and on top of that he's chucking an at awful rate. So his one positive is now a negative. Great. Sorry, but no matter how much talent you have this is NOT a good sign. See exhibit A JR Smith on the knicks. A maddening player with superstar talent who never put it all together besides winning a 6th man award then promptly flaming out in the playoffs.

So yeah, call me a hater a pessimist whatever because I dare to not take the party line that THjr "just needs time and minutes". The facts are when a player doesn't show at minimum incremental improvements on their GLARING faults, it's a huge concern and does not bode well for their future prospects.

Vmart wrote:THJ is a good player. He maybe confident in his shot which is good you need confident players. He is going to be a high ceiling player. I would not trade THJ because I think he is every bit as good as Klay Thompson. THJ is going to get better and better, I'm a believer that if you want a young player to become good he needs to shoot, handle the ball, show confidence in his ability to get better, and most important he needs play time. THJ has all those going for him. I remember when a young KD came into the league there was not a shot he thought he couldn't hit but damn if stardom wasn't knocking on his door and he was force fed to be confident and take those shots no matter what 43% fg 28% 3pt fg. You want THJ to become a very good player, then give him the green light, to make himself into a better shooter, better over all player. That's how you become good in the NBA.

very credible post

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:THJ is a good player. He maybe confident in his shot which is good you need confident players. He is going to be a high ceiling player. I would not trade THJ because I think he is every bit as good as Klay Thompson. THJ is going to get better and better, I'm a believer that if you want a young player to become good he needs to shoot, handle the ball, show confidence in his ability to get better, and most important he needs play time. THJ has all those going for him. I remember when a young KD came into the league there was not a shot he thought he couldn't hit but damn if stardom wasn't knocking on his door and he was force fed to be confident and take those shots no matter what 43% fg 28% 3pt fg. You want THJ to become a very good player, then give him the green light, to make himself into a better shooter, better over all player. That's how you become good in the NBA.

very credible post

Hey Timmy can score 37 in a quarter if he manages to get off 48 shot attempts!

He certainly would if dumbo fisher wasnt holding him back

yellowboy90 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It just surprises me that so many fans have such a lack of patience for our own draft pick. Ok so we didn't get all we wanted from Shump that doesn't mean every pick you give up on if they don't immediately put it all together. There's enough there to work with. If he ever figures it out he can be a really good player and he's ours.

What is there? He doesn't score, rebound, pass, shoot, or defend well. The only think he has going for him is a rookie contract and youth.

I disagree, the dude does score the ball. He is just not conscious of the quality of the shots he has taken. Example, if he were conscious of the stat sheet, he would know not to pull the trigger from behind the three line when he has already missed 5 out of 5 shots.

I see him rebounding better and passing the ball better as well. You just have to surround him with smart players to rub off of him. Being around JR,Amare, and even Carmelo is not favorable for a guy who already has the mentality to be JUST a scorer.

The success of Langston and perhaps the other young kid may incite THJ to become an all around player.