holfresh wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:Blaming JR abd Shump for this is weak and wrong...We won the first two of three games this year and articles were out almost ushering Fisher into the HOF..Knick fans were starting thread canonizing Fisher...We won tree games and it's JR and Shump's fault??...Come on...

JR was the second best player on the Knicks team which is a bigger indictment on the Knicks talent level...Now JR is the 4th best option on Cleveland, which is much more suitable. How many teams have a 4th option as offensively talented as JR? When JR was off with the Knicks, we had trouble scoring...If JR is off with Cleve, they can still win, but he's on, he can push them over the top....A healthy Cavs team is going to be dangerous come May.

You nailed it...Fans don't get it...JR Smith should be your 4th option not your 2nd, period...

So then you agree that jr was a cancer to this team or nah. He was our second option and he in turn brought the team down. We lost talent and now all of a sudden we ate playing better. Not a coincidence.

JR is a scapegoat..We beat the Pelicans without Anthony Davis, beat the Sixer then Magic and now we are good??

Exactly, I can't believe some people apparently think that we've turned the season around after beating 3 terrible teams in a row.

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:Blaming JR abd Shump for this is weak and wrong...We won the first two of three games this year and articles were out almost ushering Fisher into the HOF..Knick fans were starting thread canonizing Fisher...We won tree games and it's JR and Shump's fault??...Come on...

JR was the second best player on the Knicks team which is a bigger indictment on the Knicks talent level...Now JR is the 4th best option on Cleveland, which is much more suitable. How many teams have a 4th option as offensively talented as JR? When JR was off with the Knicks, we had trouble scoring...If JR is off with Cleve, they can still win, but he's on, he can push them over the top....A healthy Cavs team is going to be dangerous come May.

You nailed it...Fans don't get it...JR Smith should be your 4th option not your 2nd, period...

So then you agree that jr was a cancer to this team or nah. He was our second option and he in turn brought the team down. We lost talent and now all of a sudden we ate playing better. Not a coincidence.

JR is a scapegoat..We beat the Pelicans without Anthony Davis, beat the Sixer then Magic and now we are good??

I wouldnt call JR a scapegoat...dude was an issue. but some of that is on the team as well. They never looked for better options because they always viewed JR to be that better option.

JR can easily be a teams 5 best player, problem here was he was at times our third and even worst our second. Shumpert is different, but he was a role player being touted as a lock down starter.

thats on the team moreso than the players

It's exactly as Uptown called it..JR can't be your top two player...He has the talent for it but not the mental makeup and I mean in the sense of the off the court issues, JR isnt stupid just immature..But we can still use that...We are paying him like a 4th option so it's ok...If 2 of your top 3 players are off and JR shows up you can win..If only two guys are on and JR shows up, you win...That's what Cleveland expects and they will be successful with that formula..

I knew the 54 win team couldn't go far as JR Smith as it's number two..I was posting it all season saying Melo needs help...But w can't sit here and blame him for not getting there...He wasn't paid for that and he isn't that kind of all around player..I think he was making 2.7 mil per that season....I mean, let's be fair...

The knicks did not suck because of them. They sucked because we don't have a PG, have a selfish star, and have no real bigs.

Those guys are bench players who should not be relied on in prime roles

I would label JR a cancer, but not Shump. JR has the ability to singlehandedly torpedo the team at will, almost did the same thing in Cleveland. Shump was just underperforming throughout most of his time here. He didnt make waves, do stupid stuff. Just needed to get away from NY and worry less about his brand and more about his game.

smackeddog wrote:As strange thread to bump- this one was the main one:

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=49004

It's not strange at all...Just showing you the message was consistent through out when Phil traded JR and Shump..U are starting threads claiming hypocrisy, aren't you..

From ESPN

Good trade or bad trade for the Knicks?

Begley: Good trade for New York -- but obviously not for this season. New York rid themselves of Smith's $6.4 million contract option in 2015-16, which opens up more cap space and opportunities to chase free agents. You can argue that the Knicks had better offers on the table in the past for Shumpert, but there's little doubt that Phil Jackson put his club in a strong position to improve in free agency this summer.

Elhassan: Good because as the only team that can confidently say "we're worse than the Sixers," the Knicks basically have no other recourse for this season other than to ensure their pick is as high as possible. Losing Shumpert was the cost of getting rid of Smith's cap hit for next year ($6.4 million), giving the Knicks more flexibility to go big-game hunting.

McMenamin: It's good. They weren't going anywhere this season other than the lottery and Jackson and Derek Fisher gave the roster half a season to figure out who they were ready to uproot to plant new seeds. They'll now have close to $30 million to play with this summer on the free-agent market. Now, is it a good thing overall for the state of the Knicks franchise that they just signed Carmelo Anthony to a max extension this summer and he could be shutting it down with a knee injury while Jackson is getting paid $12 million to pull the strings on this disaster of a season? That's a different question.

Shelburne: Great trade for the Knicks. They created $7 million in salary cap space in this trade and rid themselves of a guy who had been a square peg in the triangle offense Jackson and Fisher have been trying to teach. Yes, they lose Shumpert, a good young player they had interest in retaining this summer. But the Knicks could have lost him via restricted free agency anyway, and they had to give up something to get rid of Smith and his contract without taking back a bad contract in return.

Young: Good. The Knicks dumped Smith's contract and personality, two things that are a start to putting out the dumpster fire that resides in Madison Square Garden. The Knicks are showing at least somewhat of an eye for the future, bringing in nonguaranteed deals to open up a little future financial flexibility.