In training camp and Summer League I already said that

Galloway
THanasis
Travis Wear
Orlando Sanchez

Could and likely will eventually be part of our team moving forward, if another team do not sign them, they will be part of our roster for next season when we have roster spots to fill
Their skills translate to the system while taking a year to harness their skills and system in the D League
They would be like having at least 2nd rounders, maybe even some of them 1st rounders in a weaker draft, but with more experience already running/executing the system together in the Summer and D League

I think Orlando Sanchies >>> Travis Wear

Would compare his game to a bit like Sullinger/Channing Frye *younger Frye on Sun's*

I think Thanasis has a really high ceiling, even higher than Early's
Galloway is like a BIG and YOUNG Duhon, *the good Duhon* maybe his upside could be similar to Billups on OFFENSE with the way he seems to be build confidence in his shot

Travis Wear is a very solid player if he plays with HIGH IQ players, especially if he plays with talent that moves the ball, and multiple players to spread the floor and/or post up threats that have the ability to penetrate/finish

RonRon wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Is Seth Curry a decent defender or just a pure shooter???

I think he is an inconsistent shooter that lacks speed/quickness/handle/athleticism and strength

However, he can get HOT, though not exactly like his brother, Steph
Think Galloway is the SAFER pick but would not be mad if we used a roster spot for him either, there are a lot of talents in The D League and players that have a hard time getting contracts that really shouldn't in this league but it is what it is....

Just looked at his utube footages, he plays like his brother minus the slik ball handling skills. Why not give him a chance over Priggioni or Calderon?

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get more and more disgusted with every win. Every win from here on out is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot. I have a bad feeling about this.

It demoralizing to me to watch the Knicks get kill every freaking game. I don't mind losing, but not 17 games in a row. If we could win 4 in a row, I would be happy

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have gotten to the point where I'm thinking future, I'm not even thinking about losses I'm more concerned about the wins because it interferes with my goal of building sustainable wins. These wins are meaningless it is proving nada at this point. This is nothing to get demoralized about seeing the Knicks lose, like I said if you want the Knicks to do great and win chips then best to not let up on losing just a little more to go and after this no will care about this season. If anything it will become a bragging point if the Knicks hit a home run on the draft pick.

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get more and more disgusted with every win. Every win from here on out is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot. I have a bad feeling about this.

It demoralizing to me to watch the Knicks get kill every freaking game. I don't mind losing, but not 17 games in a row. If we could win 4 in a row, I would be happy

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have gotten to the point where I'm thinking future, I'm not even thinking about losses I'm more concerned about the wins because it interferes with my goal of building sustainable wins. These wins are meaningless it is proving nada at this point. This is nothing to get demoralized about seeing the Knicks lose, like I said if you want the Knicks to do great and win chips then best to not let up on losing just a little more to go and after this no will care about this season. If anything it will become a bragging point if the Knicks hit a home run on the draft pick.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get more and more disgusted with every win. Every win from here on out is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot. I have a bad feeling about this.

It demoralizing to me to watch the Knicks get kill every freaking game. I don't mind losing, but not 17 games in a row. If we could win 4 in a row, I would be happy

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have gotten to the point where I'm thinking future, I'm not even thinking about losses I'm more concerned about the wins because it interferes with my goal of building sustainable wins. These wins are meaningless it is proving nada at this point. This is nothing to get demoralized about seeing the Knicks lose, like I said if you want the Knicks to do great and win chips then best to not let up on losing just a little more to go and after this no will care about this season. If anything it will become a bragging point if the Knicks hit a home run on the draft pick.

If Langston becomes the starting PG for the next decade and is the next Billups are they still meaningless? I mean losing for the sake of losing will backfire. Look at the teams that do it. We are getting a top 5 pick. Thats essentially a lock. If we are 1-5 is luck regardless of the record at the end of the day. Getting young prospect to play hard means something. My god if it "costs" us a couple of wins so be it! Do you want a culture change or not?

There are positives and negatives however, looking the talents that we could have drafted had we NOT won meaningless games in the past and with this being our only draft pick when the other teams that are competing with us have many picks this year and in future drafts, this pick means a lot more for us

Many of these guys were literraly 1 WIN away from acquiring them, some were 2 picks behind us, looking at the list it is pretty sad, though it wasn't Phil Jackson regime

Westbrook *2 picks away, pick 6th overall*, Kevin Love *1 pick away, pick 7 overall* Jordan Hill pick 8overall

Curry *1 pick away* Harden was pick the 2nd overall pick and we drafted Gallo at 7

Vucevic *1 pick and 1 win away, overall 16th pick* Klay Thompson pick 11 overall,6picks away, Iman was drafted at 17

Mason Plumlee pick 22, 1 win and 1 pick away, Gorgui Deng 2 picks away pick 21 overall, Giannes was picked at 15 overall, while we got Tim Hardaway at pick 23 and Rudy Gobert was selected after us

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get more and more disgusted with every win. Every win from here on out is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot. I have a bad feeling about this.

It demoralizing to me to watch the Knicks get kill every freaking game. I don't mind losing, but not 17 games in a row. If we could win 4 in a row, I would be happy

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have gotten to the point where I'm thinking future, I'm not even thinking about losses I'm more concerned about the wins because it interferes with my goal of building sustainable wins. These wins are meaningless it is proving nada at this point. This is nothing to get demoralized about seeing the Knicks lose, like I said if you want the Knicks to do great and win chips then best to not let up on losing just a little more to go and after this no will care about this season. If anything it will become a bragging point if the Knicks hit a home run on the draft pick.

If Langston becomes the starting PG for the next decade and is the next Billups are they still meaningless? I mean losing for the sake of losing will backfire. Look at the teams that do it. We are getting a top 5 pick. Thats essentially a lock. If we are 1-5 is luck regardless of the record at the end of the day. Getting young prospect to play hard means something. My god if it "costs" us a couple of wins so be it! Do you want a culture change or not?

Yes meaningless, I don't need wins to determine talent of individual players. Galloway seems to be earning PT by his play we can see his input. There is potential for improvement that we can see even before the win is registered. If wins and losses are the only determining point of individual talent then Melo must be crappy player or anyone else on the roster. One thing we learned over years is that the Knicks did just enough to be the team missing out on franchise type talent by a pick or two. What would be so wrong to guarantee yourself the 4th overall pick at worst. Let's not fool around with this, we have come this far let's close the deal on this. I no longer wNt to leave room for doubt.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get more and more disgusted with every win. Every win from here on out is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot. I have a bad feeling about this.

It demoralizing to me to watch the Knicks get kill every freaking game. I don't mind losing, but not 17 games in a row. If we could win 4 in a row, I would be happy

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have gotten to the point where I'm thinking future, I'm not even thinking about losses I'm more concerned about the wins because it interferes with my goal of building sustainable wins. These wins are meaningless it is proving nada at this point. This is nothing to get demoralized about seeing the Knicks lose, like I said if you want the Knicks to do great and win chips then best to not let up on losing just a little more to go and after this no will care about this season. If anything it will become a bragging point if the Knicks hit a home run on the draft pick.

If Langston becomes the starting PG for the next decade and is the next Billups are they still meaningless? I mean losing for the sake of losing will backfire. Look at the teams that do it. We are getting a top 5 pick. Thats essentially a lock. If we are 1-5 is luck regardless of the record at the end of the day. Getting young prospect to play hard means something. My god if it "costs" us a couple of wins so be it! Do you want a culture change or not?

If Galloway emerges as a young player worthy of starting in the future, it also influences who we might take in this draft if we are equally high on some of the top prospects. If you have a number of players ranked equally high on your draft board, BPA might mean we choose based on need, and if Galloway emerges as a future starter, this would be weighed in deciding who we draft.

Same is true of any young player we have. Early and Hardaway need consistent major minutes on the court, even if it means losing some games as they develop. I also want to know if Acy and Wear have a part in our long term development, which means they have to play some minutes.

Langston, Early, and Hardaway should be getting 30+ MPG no matter how they are playing, and Acy, Wear, Larkin, and Aldrich should be getting at least 20-25 MPG.

No pain... no gain, IMO. I'll endure the pain if it means we have a better idea of who will be with this team in the future.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:You selfish bastards...

it had always been about establishing the System and a culture.....what we are seeing now is that actually happening. It's clear shump and jr smith were cancers. Win or lose this group needs to show a foundation of change that can be explained to free agents. How can they fit? Now we can show them.

I agree. Establish the system and identify players that can fit within it. But, Calderon,Jayson Smith,Amare, and Bargnani are doing this system a disservice. Their presence alone have retarded the enactment of the system. I really don't know why they are still around. Specifically, Bargnani and Amare.

bargian has played less the 30 minutes this season, why is his name keep coming up, no one can evaluate his presence, cause he has none

Seriously? Isn't he part of this current roster? If your answer is yes, he is occupying a space that could be use to develop a young player.

fishmike wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I get more and more disgusted with every win. Every win from here on out is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot. I have a bad feeling about this.

It demoralizing to me to watch the Knicks get kill every freaking game. I don't mind losing, but not 17 games in a row. If we could win 4 in a row, I would be happy

I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I have gotten to the point where I'm thinking future, I'm not even thinking about losses I'm more concerned about the wins because it interferes with my goal of building sustainable wins. These wins are meaningless it is proving nada at this point. This is nothing to get demoralized about seeing the Knicks lose, like I said if you want the Knicks to do great and win chips then best to not let up on losing just a little more to go and after this no will care about this season. If anything it will become a bragging point if the Knicks hit a home run on the draft pick.

If Langston becomes the starting PG for the next decade and is the next Billups are they still meaningless? I mean losing for the sake of losing will backfire. Look at the teams that do it. We are getting a top 5 pick. Thats essentially a lock. If we are 1-5 is luck regardless of the record at the end of the day. Getting young prospect to play hard means something. My god if it "costs" us a couple of wins so be it! Do you want a culture change or not?

I see the development of younger players much more important than winning at this point.

If Galloway emerges as a young player worthy of starting in the future, it also influences who we might take in this draft if we are equally high on some of the top prospects. If you have a number of players ranked equally high on your draft board, BPA might mean we choose based on need, and if Galloway emerges as a future starter, this would be weighed in deciding who we draft.

Same is true of any young player we have. Early and Hardaway need consistent major minutes on the court, even if it means losing some games as they develop. I also want to know if Acy and Wear have a part in our long term development, which means they have to play some minutes.

Langston, Early, and Hardaway should be getting 30+ MPG no matter how they are playing, and Acy, Wear, Larkin, and Aldrich should be getting at least 20-25 MPG.

No pain... no gain, IMO. I'll endure the pain if it means we have a better idea of who will be with this team in the future.

I agree with this but one caveat. I think we 100% draft the BPA regardless of position. We just dont have enough talent not to. But our young prospects will ABSOLUTELY impact who we chase in FA. If Galloway is a good defensive PG who can really knock down that 3 and fill out the stat sheet with 3s, steals, rebs (man he looks good on the boards) then you can really adjust your FA needs better... but yea Im with you. Now if those guys start developing and playing well and win a couple games and we have the 3rd worst record instead of the first Im ok with that. We will be fine

I'm not ok with that. Because the Knicks are lacking talent they need to put aside those extra wins regardless if the talent they have is good enough to win few more games. This team needs the best chance at the number one pick.