gunsnewing wrote:Don't San Antonio already have 9 PG's?

I wouldn't mind a Prigioni for Mills swap. San Antonio doesn't really like trading picks they find gems in the second round internationally every year and stock them away or bring them over.

I want him bad!

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

Yes

Which is the point I'm trying to tell him

The team that has rights to match has the leverage

They hold you up for 3 days and you let them off the hook for the 5th yr

It's a no brainer they'd match the contract, they would send us a bouquet of roses for doing so

Neither player-agent signs the sheet because every team with cap would be willing to offer them a 4yr deal

Therefore they'd wait until the Bulls-Spurs offered them their market value which is Klay Thompson money

Butler and Kawhai are not options no matter how much we keep dreaming it up in our heads

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

Yes

Which is the point I'm trying to tell him

The team that has rights to match has the leverage

They hold you up for 3 days and you let them off the hook for the 5th yr

It's a no brainer they'd match the contract, they would send us a bouquet of roses for doing so

Neither player-agent signs the sheet because every team with cap would be willing to offer them a 4yr deal

Therefore they'd wait until the Bulls-Spurs offered them their market value which is Klay Thompson money

Butler and Kawhai are not options no matter how much we keep dreaming it up in our heads

However, it decreases the teams salary and ability to spend if they offer him the max contract before they can sign FA's
Just like Houston this summer with Parsons, they threw a MAX offer at Bosh and they saved themselves by BOsh not accepting
Had Bosh signed, Ariza wouldn't be there and Parsons would be retained

It comes down to If Kawaii and Butler were willing to sign or not
The 3 days means nothing to else, those are the STAR's that will not sign with NYK regardless, as we are not atttracting anyone with our roster and losses this season if those FA's can get the same amount of money elsewhere

Well if you look at it from Houston's perspective only but what about Miami's?

They were waiting to see Bosh get what would be a true market offer

Once they caught wind he was they gave him a 5yr deal

The same would happen with us, Bulls and Spurs would match easily

Meanwhile tying us up from making lucrative offers to other free agents

Actually what cost Houston was Bosh's slowness to agreeing to the deal

And Houston chasing 2 free agents while Parsons wanted a contract

Had Bosh agreed quickly once Rox moved on from Melo vowing not to return to Miami

Morey would have then offered Parsons a deal or matched

It really wasn't the offer sheet that killed Houston it was wanting

Carmelo and Bosh a little too thick that cost them Parsons

Bottom line with Bulls, they're already capped their prize free agent is Butler

They will use their exceptions to round out roster and they'll have them because they haven't paid Lux Tax dollars yet

Now next year it becomes a little hectic for them heading into 2016 summer

As far as the Spurs yeah right we're not outfoxing them and they have enough cap and track record

Free agents will most certainly wait on them and give them the benefit of the doubt

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

RonRon wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:I saw Danny Greens shot chart and I fell in love at first sight

I want him bad!

Danny Green is a really good option who may just be gettable. I'd be very pleased if we could pick him off the Spurs roster. Don't know what the Spurs plans are for him cap wise, but he'd be a good target.

Another home town hero comes back home? Straight from the ghetto suburbs of Long Island.

I'm more impressed by Danny's steal and block numbers.
His defensive numbers look good. He also thrives in systems like the Spurs and the Tarheels. This is a guy we need to target at a reasonable price.

yup. The problem is that SAS has more cap room than the Knicks and if Manu and Duncan retire they won't have to worry about their cap holds. It reall just depends on who they target in FA. They can Max out a Marc Gasol regardless but I'm sure they still like to try to fit their players under the tax line.

If they get a big time FA and max out Leonard they might not want to pay Green $12m a year.

I know Love said he wants to play in a big market but if he was willing to stay in Cleveland would he go to SA and play for Pop. It would be the perfect place for a guy like Love.

That is why I say offer a MAX to Kawaii regardless of them matching or not
They would have a 3 day window to acquire FA's, just like Parsons this summer and The Rockets

If Marc Gasol is undecided, the window closes, if they match they have less ability to improve the team if they cannot sign the talent they want

Ron unfortunately there's no outsmarting the smartest ran

Organization in the league, Kawhai is going nowhere and what you'd be doing is tying up

Our cap situation for 3 days, for nothing

The point is if Kawaii and/or Butler is willing to sign it, we should 100% offer it
Why give those teams the time to try to attract FA's when we are trying to compete with them for FA's and they are also our contenders

Only 2 things can result out of it

1- They match but have 3 days to do so while they would only have 3 days to target FA's and still keep their RFA's
2- We actually get the young STAR on our team

don't we also lock ourselves up for 3 days?

Yes

Which is the point I'm trying to tell him

The team that has rights to match has the leverage

They hold you up for 3 days and you let them off the hook for the 5th yr

It's a no brainer they'd match the contract, they would send us a bouquet of roses for doing so

Neither player-agent signs the sheet because every team with cap would be willing to offer them a 4yr deal

Therefore they'd wait until the Bulls-Spurs offered them their market value which is Klay Thompson money

Butler and Kawhai are not options no matter how much we keep dreaming it up in our heads

However, it decreases the teams salary and ability to spend if they offer him the max contract before they can sign FA's
Just like Houston this summer with Parsons, they threw a MAX offer at Bosh and they saved themselves by BOsh not accepting
Had Bosh signed, Ariza wouldn't be there and Parsons would be retained

It comes down to If Kawaii and Butler were willing to sign or not
The 3 days means nothing to else, those are the STAR's that will not sign with NYK regardless, as we are not atttracting anyone with our roster and losses this season if those FA's can get the same amount of money elsewhere

Well if you look at it from Houston's perspective only but what about Miami's?

They were waiting to see Bosh get what would be a true market offer

Once they caught wind he was they gave him a 5yr deal

The same would happen with us, Bulls and Spurs would match easily

Meanwhile tying us up from making lucrative offers to other free agents

Actually what cost Houston was Bosh's slowness to agreeing to the deal

And Houston chasing 2 free agents while Parsons wanted a contract

Had Bosh agreed quickly once Rox moved on from Melo vowing not to return to Miami

Morey would have then offered Parsons a deal or matched

It really wasn't the offer sheet that killed Houston it was wanting

Carmelo and Bosh a little too thick that cost them Parsons

Bottom line with Bulls, they're already capped their prize free agent is Butler

They will use their exceptions to round out roster and they'll have them because they haven't paid Lux Tax dollars yet

Now next year it becomes a little hectic for them heading into 2016 summer

As far as the Spurs yeah right we're not outfoxing them and they have enough cap and track record

Free agents will most certainly wait on them and give them the benefit of the doubt

It comes down to if those players are willing to sign an offer or not, I am saying I would offer them one right at 12.01 when we elgible to offer FA's contracts
NO FA's that are the cream of the crop are coming to the NYK's not this summer, so the 3 days means nothing

And if they did want to come to NYK, they would wait as it is part of FA
They know it is unlikely that we would acquire those players anyway and I agree but it limits their ability to spend as they can add FA's first and then resign their RFA's as their cap hold is low
However, especially for The Spur's, once they match the offfer for Kawaii, they no longer can offer another max contract out, but prior to those 3 days they still can

3 days of spending, we do not lose anything....

Well first of all it's important to think about us first and not the comp

We need to do what's best for us and that's focusing on free agents[we truly believe we can sign]

Once again Butler and Kawhai are not signing offer sheets on the first day of FA[SIGH!]

You're not limiting Bulls in spending, they don't have cap space really[Butler's cap hold places them at or slightly above]

////// maybe Spurs theoretically depending on who they renounce

Keep in mind the Bulls really only need to sign 1 free agent[their own], meanwhile we need to sign several

Therefore we don't have time to be puzzyfooting around in free agency bringing knives to gun fights

Your approach totally applies to those FA with Restricted status and-or FA whose teams have volatile financial situations

So in your swinging for fences scenario the player that best fits this example is actually Draymond Green, he should be the 12:00-01 call