STATMELO wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:as good as he is.. and i loved him in college.... he's only been able to do this for half a nba season so far...

we don't need to spend 12-15 million on glue guys... we need young talent who can be transformative...

Sorry dude, this kid is not a glue guy. He is well worth the money. You are to be able to see what a kid will be from the jump. This dude can only get better from where he is right now. He will be a hell of a leader.

Before this year nobody was really talking about Green. Overpaying a player like this exactly what the Knicks have done historically. He's undersized too at 6'7".

We need to talk to everyone and try to find the right mix, but we also need to be fiscally responsible.

It doesn't matter that he's undersized he's had no problems defending 3-5 and is averaging 8 boards...people have been talking about Green since last years playoffs. This is the first year he's getting big minutes. I don't think y'all understand how good this kid is.

He's the it kid. If he's so good then we have no shot at him. I'm not willing to over pay the dude. Let golden state do that

Knicks1969 wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I like that dude..... I like him a lot.

This is the guy we need, he doesn't excel in any area but he does everything well. He could transform our team on the defensive end, because of his ability to provide help and hustle. He's the ultimate glue guy. He's a more realistic target than Butler and Leonard. Quite frankly he's a more impactful player than Leonard.

Instead of looking at guys like Butler, Leonard, LMA and Marc Gasol we should be looking at guys like Millsap, Dragic and Green.

Sadly, GS will not let this dude walk. He is the heart and soul of that team

The Warriors owner is cheap, but I'm thinking they dump Lee at the deadline and match any offer. With the salary cap going up I could see them paying that luxury tax as well.

I think they will soon dump Lee too. Can we perhaps go and get Lee back? The dude can still ball with the best of them. He rebounds and score the ball efficiently. He is the passer we need in the front court

He isn't a bad player but I just think that chapter is closed, we are already one of the leagues worst defenses the plan is to compete. It's historically proven that you likely won't win a chip without a top 10 defense. Melo and Lee in the same lineup with Calderon, that's three sieves right there. We don't need that.

FistOfOakley wrote:danny green is kind of like korver... he's good but he can't really create his own offense... i can see him doing really well for a lot of nba teams including the knicks...

i like tobie's game and i'm kind of intrigued if you play toby and melo together IF they get a really good defensive center (gasol or towns)... it makes for an interesting lineup where melo doesn't have to dominate the ball.. if you get dray or danny they are much more dependent on the looks melo creates...

Tobias doesn't play defense, Melo doesn't like sharing the ball it's a bad fit. Gasol is not coming let's face it, I prefer Okafor over Towns and it's going to take time before Towns even develops into an elite defender.

Green is truly a transformative defensive piece his versatility creates mismatches on offense, he's a skilled passer, he's good on the break, he can spot up for three. The Knicks rank 29th in defense we haven't had an elite defense since like 2001. I can not stress enough how much this team needs to improve on that end if we plan to contend.

BRIGGS wrote:Its a strange situation because how much would you pay this type of player? If we sign Quincy Act to a 3 year 4 mm dollar contract with an option for a team 4th can he develop into something along the lines of a Green? Teams may try to pay Green 10-12mm$ That would be a lot for us a LOT.

If we pay Green 4 years and 48mm what is your line up? In many ways Green plays the 3-4 like Melo does. Melo makes 22+mm how much $$$ can you allocate to that position?

I like the idea of building up younger cheap guys in the frontcourt and backcourt--and then hopefully paving the way for a KD to come in here.

Acy and Green are different type of players. If Acy was as good as Green defensively he would not be on the bench. Green is a stronger player and a better weak side rim protector. I think Acy has some tools but he needs to get stronger and keep working on his shot. If he can stretch it out to three then that would be amazing. The coaches actually should point to Green as a goal to reach defensively.

What really puts Green over the top is that he has offensive skills outside of just shooting. He knows how to pass and moves well without the ball. He doesn't really post up much so him and Melo would not really duplicate each other. He is a very good compliment. The issue might be can he be the same defensive player while taking on more of a load offensively?

EnySpree wrote:

STATMELO wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:as good as he is.. and i loved him in college.... he's only been able to do this for half a nba season so far...

we don't need to spend 12-15 million on glue guys... we need young talent who can be transformative...

Sorry dude, this kid is not a glue guy. He is well worth the money. You are to be able to see what a kid will be from the jump. This dude can only get better from where he is right now. He will be a hell of a leader.

Before this year nobody was really talking about Green. Overpaying a player like this exactly what the Knicks have done historically. He's undersized too at 6'7".

We need to talk to everyone and try to find the right mix, but we also need to be fiscally responsible.

It doesn't matter that he's undersized he's had no problems defending 3-5 and is averaging 8 boards...people have been talking about Green since last years playoffs. This is the first year he's getting big minutes. I don't think y'all understand how good this kid is.

He's the it kid. If he's so good then we have no shot at him. I'm not willing to over pay the dude. Let golden state do that

You aren't overpaying him his production is worthy of a max contract...

FistOfOakley wrote:i agree with you there that we need defense... i'm just not sure how well dray fits in that regard here... and he's only really done it for half a season.. you also have to take into account that bogut's been on the court with him there.. how much has that affected the perception of his defense?

then you also have to take into account how he fits in the triangle... the triangle and the pnr/screen offense that GS runs is about as different as you can get... no one is going to be leaving him wide open here since we don't have klay or curry.... same thing with danny in SA and their double post offense...

tobias is a little underrated on his on-ball defense but he's not known for it and he def needs work there but i think he can be pretty good eventually... i like toby more for his offensive game and how interchangeable he and melo can be esp in the triangle... and you wouldn't miss a beat when melo leaves the court which will happen more as he ages...

Think of him like this: Try to envision him in the offense instead of Jason Smith. Imagine him actually being a threat when he catches the ball on the wing when Melo posts up but not only a threat spotting up but as a cutter when going through. Then on the weak side think about those long pick n pop 2s turn into pick n pop 3s, drives and layups, or drives and dishes. Then Imagine all that with better defense, rebounding, blks, and passing.

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

I agree with your first assessment, Acy is no way comparable to Green.

I'd trade Melo if we draft Okafor and strike out in free agency. From there I'd just like a rebuild. If we can get guys like Green why trade Melo. Melo's defensive deficiencies can be hid on a team with strong defensive personnel (think '11 Bulls with Rose), Melo's game is perfect for the Triangle, he still one of the best players in the league. C'Mon now bro.

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:its funny, everyone wants to play like Golden State

No GS is not run by Curry or Klay or ANY ONE player
We need players that understand this and can execute this
Players that could defend 3 positions and do a bit of everything

Briggs, you clearly do not watch GS play, you watch numbers, look at measurements, look at stats, and watch at highlights and continue to try to find that steal that you think no one else can see but you

How are you gong to compare Acy with Green, really?

CA for Nate Walters and/or Kelly Olynicks

CA is a flawed player, we need someone that could defend multiple positions and do multiple things
With or without CA in NY, that is the type of talent we need moving forward

Ron--If Steph Curry and Klay Thompson were not on that team-we wouldnt be talking about Dreymond Green. The way I look at things--you need stars to win games and stars is where the money should be allocated--then fill in.

The "stars" are in the lottery picks and the upper tier FA's. I understand that Drey Green is playing well--but take a man out of the element he is in now and bang he may be a 4 mm $ player you have now signed for 12. Those two guards open up things for every body on BOTh sides of the ball. GS is a unique team that is far above us. We are in the process of finding our own Dreymond greens--that is the process I see--but not at 12mm--we need to find them at pick 26 38 41 etc... Paying 12 mm to dreymond green is buying super high. Dragic for this team is a much better value. He's a 20-7-4 PG 50% who can control the rhythm of the game. Think football and QB--you need those guys and thats where you spend the money

You couldn't be more wrong, eye test you've neglected no question here

If the busy college schedule is getting in the way

Maybe once again just maybe you need to take a break from it

And get focused because there's no way you would type the above if

You watched him play with a 'Scouts Eye'

With that said looking at his stats alone prove you're being clueless here

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6589/draymond-green

There's plenty of intel here to suggest Curry and Klay aren't having

Near the impact you're trying to imply they have on his game