dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:dk7th wrote:mreinman wrote:F500ONE wrote:mreinman wrote:gunsnewing wrote:alwaysaknick wrote:Btw, where's tkf?Somehow what he said is confirmed nowadays.....
Of course it is. And he was literally stoned to death By some people here. He was a good poster for a long time with or without the Melo banter. He is missed
please .... he just always picked the doomsday scenarios so eventually everyone can be right.
his logical arguments were from the dumbest arguments that I've seen.
I remember Martin's quote: "Tkf, you make some of the dumbest arguments"
What doomsday scenarios did he pick
Which didn't come to fruition
And why are you goofing on TKF liking
An efficient basketball player, aren't you a metrics goober
Kyle Kover is filth nasty efficient even when he's not shooting
I did not dislike TKF, just like I don't dislike you.
I just have a hard time talking sense into you guys 
at the end of the day the only thing you should be disagreeing about is what constitutes being a winning player. seems like you got derailed on the methodology on how you arrive at that conclusion. otherwise i would like to be reminded about what players you disagreed on. bryant? aldridge?
Iverson? Kobe? Josh Smith? Amare? Advanced Stat Usage? Effective 3 point percentage?
I believe in the use of advanced metrics, he did not even know of Basketball-Reference.
ehhh come on now. he was unenthusiastic to tepid about almost all of them. maybe he liked iverson a bit more than the others. my point is that you guys probably agreed more than disagreed, but the divergent methodology became the focus and clouded that fact.
could be but it was the fundamentals of how we evaluate players.
It was use of metrics instead of thinking of yourself as a super scout that found it more important to be right than making a fool of yourself.
The ridiculous argument in regards to 38% 3's vs 50% 2's.
You always came to his defense which was really nice of you 
but sometimes you took his side of the argument even if you knew he was dead wrong.
well as you know i can't argue with math but i can argue context/circumstance and choice and momentum and i believe that was where he was coming from. in other words math and statistics can't be argued in a vacuum.
Of course. Its easy to just say "vacuum" and thats the end all.
I watch a lot of basketball and try to balance between stats and eyes. I try to find/follow patterns and make predictions that can be right or wrong but at least based and logic, experience and data.
With that 3's vs 2's argument, I posted countless articles, data, facts etc ... There was absolutely no legs to defend that argument other then just not being able to be wrong.
As we see, teams are moving much more to the 3 ball. This triangle long 2's offense is gone for a reason. You either shoot near the basket or from 3.
yes that is the trend but i am beginning to notice that there are a couple of power forwards like kris humphries and blake griffin who have been working on their midrange game. did you see them play over the last two nights? i did. thoughts?
Yeah ... I have watched Blake a lot this season and I hate that shot! He is 1-2 feet inside the arc. Move it back and make it count.
from between 16 and the arc, he is shooting 36% of his shots. Thats horrible and plain stupid. Last year he shot 26% of his attempts from there.
And its no coincidence that his TS is down from a great 58.3 to 54.9. I think that shot should be illegal and teams like Houston and Atlanta try to avoid taking them. Derek Fisher was in love with that stupid shot and he used to fire/chuck away from there. Probably why he is all for Jason Smith doing it.
Humphries is ok and a hustler but severely overpaid. He does have some of that glue though.
One of the reasons I like Towns is that he has stretch 4 potential and that is what you really need to win. Milsap is shooting 33% from 3 and Budenholzer still wants him to shoot them. Wonder why? Because they want/need to spread you out for teague to do his thing in the PNR.
LA started shooting them this year too but he needs to do it a lot more. His shot selection is terrible and it will never win in the playoffs. He has horrendous playoff numbers for a reason.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
