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1/17/2015  1:59 PM
smackeddog wrote:Remember last season when we didn't sign Fredette and people had meltdowns and said we should have signed him for two years and said it showed out front office was terrible etc? How did that work out?

You're missing the point. In all likelihood none of these D-leaguers we're talking about, including Thanasis, are going to amount to anything in the NBA. But, if we have any hope of being competitive at some point during Melo's contract we need to strike gold on one of these guys which will allow us to sign them to a below-market value contract. And this season is the perfect time to take a look at them. We're the worst team in the league anyway, so we have nothing to lose if they suck.

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1/17/2015  2:15 PM
VCoug wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Remember last season when we didn't sign Fredette and people had meltdowns and said we should have signed him for two years and said it showed out front office was terrible etc? How did that work out?

You're missing the point. In all likelihood none of these D-leaguers we're talking about, including Thanasis, are going to amount to anything in the NBA. But, if we have any hope of being competitive at some point during Melo's contract we need to strike gold on one of these guys which will allow us to sign them to a below-market value contract. And this season is the perfect time to take a look at them. We're the worst team in the league anyway, so we have nothing to lose if they suck.

Covington and Whiteside are the most recent examples of d league guys that look like they will be in the NBA for a long time. The Knicks are in a great position to audition guys with roster spots that are currently held by guys that will not be around next year anyway. Or just free up the two roster spots currently being held by Amundson and Thomas. Also, Bargs spot will be vacated soon in someway. Interesting tidbit that the Knicks were investigating why Bargs can't heal from his calf injury.
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1/17/2015  2:20 PM
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VCoug wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Remember last season when we didn't sign Fredette and people had meltdowns and said we should have signed him for two years and said it showed out front office was terrible etc? How did that work out?

You're missing the point. In all likelihood none of these D-leaguers we're talking about, including Thanasis, are going to amount to anything in the NBA. But, if we have any hope of being competitive at some point during Melo's contract we need to strike gold on one of these guys which will allow us to sign them to a below-market value contract. And this season is the perfect time to take a look at them. We're the worst team in the league anyway, so we have nothing to lose if they suck.

Covington and Whiteside are the most recent examples of d league guys that look like they will be in the NBA for a long time. The Knicks are in a great position to audition guys with roster spots that are currently held by guys that will not be around next year anyway. Or just free up the two roster spots currently being held by Amundson and Thomas. Also, Bargs spot will be vacated soon in someway. Interesting tidbit that the Knicks were investigating why Bargs can't heal from his calf injury.

Another quality DLer -- 6'10" PF Dwight Powell. Cubes got him back in the Rondo deal and he looks like a keeper.

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1/17/2015  2:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/17/2015  2:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Here is the fcking kni cks problem. Instead of grabbing the d league MVP that the spurs obviously like so much that they are now willing to alter a full 15 man roster. We grab Lou admundson and wait it out. We need to add talent immediately aggressively. If Phil Jackson cannot be on top of things than give back the money and go live in Montana. This is enough. It will be nothing short of impossible waiting for players Phil thinks fit his mold. He should've explained the necessity to sign Louit certainly sends mixed messages while green is sitting there if good e tough for spurs good enough for knicks

Yet fans will make excuses for Phil

And apologize until they faint saying Pollyanish stuff like


"Well Phil deosn't have cap space to work with"


Then when you counter with a suggestion of creating more cap

Sacrificing a modest future pick they'll say


"Well picks are too valuable they are 'opportunity costs'"


Then when you suggest trading a player who may not be

Part of the team's future for a pick[s] they'll say


"Well Phil should hold on to them, there's no need to trade them now we may need to resign player in the summer"


Then when you counter and say why aren't we calling up

Our young talent from the D-league they'll say


"Well we gotta see what we have in 10 day veteran nobodies no need to waste a roster spot"


Then when you counter and say how will Phil fill out the roster

Once he signs a couple players to overpaid deals, they'll say


"Well that's what things like the D-League are for"

This goes to show that no matter what angle you come at

That which could distinguish Phil from other GMs is by doing things


In a very unconventional an innovative manner even when at times options

May seem a little narrow and dicey, we have our own D-League team


It's been in operation as a league for a while now yet with all of our

Limitations we've yet to find a gem from there and it work in our favor


Phil is ready to fisticuffs on Twitter instead of finding guys like this

Incredibly disastrous yr and I can't think of anyone doing worse than Phil

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1/17/2015  2:44 PM
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Vmart wrote:Why aren't Morey and Cuban going after him?

Morey had to cut Tariq Black to bring in Josh Smith. The Spurs are going to waive a player to get Green

That player is Austin Daye, who just came off of

An impressive performance as a starter a few gms ago


Someone we should look to sign instead of

Bum Wads in Admundson

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1/17/2015  2:46 PM
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:Why aren't Morey and Cuban going after him?

Morey had to cut Tariq Black to bring in Josh Smith. The Spurs are going to waive a player to get Green

That player is Austin Daye, who just came off of

An impressive performance as a starter a few gms ago


Someone we should look to sign instead of

Bum Wads in Admundson

I heard Jeff Ayers. I really liked Austin Daye coming out of the draft. Seems like he would be another good pick up (i.e. better than Amundson/Thomas/Bargs...).
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1/17/2015  3:02 PM
Austin Daye falls in the Lance Thomas section of proven bad players despite being kind of young. Quicny Miller is a similar type player that has had the opportunity to prove that he is a bad player.
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1/17/2015  3:04 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Austin Daye falls in the Lance Thomas section of proven bad players despite being kind of young. Quicny Miller is a similar type player that has had the opportunity to prove that he is a bad player.

Quincy Miller now moving on to the Kings

NBDL highest PPG average currently


He's a gunner but still has some talent and is extremely young

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1/17/2015  3:22 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:Austin Daye falls in the Lance Thomas section of proven bad players despite being kind of young. Quicny Miller is a similar type player that has had the opportunity to prove that he is a bad player.

Quincy Miller now moving on to the Kings

NBDL highest PPG average currently


He's a gunner but still has some talent and is extremely young

Miller was the highest guy on the prospect watch list. Green was 4th or 5th but looks like a keeper. Seth Curry's numbers in game 1 of the showcase were modest for him. He would be the next guy up I would think.
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1/17/2015  5:53 PM
This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this
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1/17/2015  6:06 PM
EnySpree wrote:This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this

Why are you using facts and reason in your post? Why aren't you just talking out of your ass and hating on the Knicks front office as others are prone to do?

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – JaMychal Green will sign a 10-day contract with the San Antonio Spurs after departing Friday from their affiliate team at the 2015 NBA D-League Showcase, sources told Yahoo Sports.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said. Green, 24, is averaging 23 points, 10.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists this season for the Austin Spurs of the NBA Development League.

The 6-foot-9, 220-pounder participated in the Spurs’ training camp, but was cut Oct. 22. Green, who played college basketball at Alabama, spent time in the off-season working with the Spurs' renowned shooting coach Chip Engelland.

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1/17/2015  6:38 PM
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EnySpree wrote:This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this

Why are you using facts and reason in your post? Why aren't you just talking out of your ass and hating on the Knicks front office as others are prone to do?

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – JaMychal Green will sign a 10-day contract with the San Antonio Spurs after departing Friday from their affiliate team at the 2015 NBA D-League Showcase, sources told Yahoo Sports.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said. Green, 24, is averaging 23 points, 10.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists this season for the Austin Spurs of the NBA Development League.

The 6-foot-9, 220-pounder participated in the Spurs’ training camp, but was cut Oct. 22. Green, who played college basketball at Alabama, spent time in the off-season working with the Spurs' renowned shooting coach Chip Engelland.

Irrelevant facts. The NBA D-League is not the same thing as the MLB Minor League. The vast majority of these players do not have contracts with the parent club and are free to sign with whatever team offers them a contract. A contract, by the way, that will be a minimum of $500K; D-League contracts are for $13K, $19K, or $25K.

What I find especially interesting about this argument, though, is that apparently D-Leaguers living at or below the federal poverty level would be unwilling to leave their parent organisation to come here. Yet, free agents next Summer will be willing to.

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1/17/2015  6:42 PM
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EnySpree wrote:This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this

Why are you using facts and reason in your post? Why aren't you just talking out of your ass and hating on the Knicks front office as others are prone to do?

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – JaMychal Green will sign a 10-day contract with the San Antonio Spurs after departing Friday from their affiliate team at the 2015 NBA D-League Showcase, sources told Yahoo Sports.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said. Green, 24, is averaging 23 points, 10.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists this season for the Austin Spurs of the NBA Development League.

The 6-foot-9, 220-pounder participated in the Spurs’ training camp, but was cut Oct. 22. Green, who played college basketball at Alabama, spent time in the off-season working with the Spurs' renowned shooting coach Chip Engelland.

I would generally agree with this sentiment but not in this case. Green has been blowing up for awhile. He was the player of the month in December in the dl. He has been top 5 in the prospect watch. He was there for the taking as he wasn't the Spurs property, just a guy they protected from the dl draft. The Knicks had two open roster spots. Not using one for Wolters, or Green seems like a big whiff to me. The only reason I can come up with for bringing Amundson and Thomas in are that they are marginal vets with great attitudes and work ethics. The young guys on the Knicks right now for the most part probably will follow their career path and maybe these guys are there to bring in professionalism in place of JR and Iman. However, that still seems pretty weak for a team so devoid of young talent.
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1/17/2015  6:42 PM
VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this

Why are you using facts and reason in your post? Why aren't you just talking out of your ass and hating on the Knicks front office as others are prone to do?

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – JaMychal Green will sign a 10-day contract with the San Antonio Spurs after departing Friday from their affiliate team at the 2015 NBA D-League Showcase, sources told Yahoo Sports.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said. Green, 24, is averaging 23 points, 10.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists this season for the Austin Spurs of the NBA Development League.

The 6-foot-9, 220-pounder participated in the Spurs’ training camp, but was cut Oct. 22. Green, who played college basketball at Alabama, spent time in the off-season working with the Spurs' renowned shooting coach Chip Engelland.

Irrelevant facts. The NBA D-League is not the same thing as the MLB Minor League. The vast majority of these players do not have contracts with the parent club and are free to sign with whatever team offers them a contract. A contract, by the way, that will be a minimum of $500K; D-League contracts are for $13K, $19K, or $25K.

What I find especially interesting about this argument, though, is that apparently D-Leaguers living at or below the federal poverty level would be unwilling to leave their parent organisation to come here. Yet, free agents next Summer will be willing to.

Oh, and I forgot. Green so desperately wants to stay with SA that he wouldn't consider signing anywhere else signed with the Clippers last season and, after he was waived, played in France.

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1/17/2015  6:45 PM
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smackeddog wrote:Remember last season when we didn't sign Fredette and people had meltdowns and said we should have signed him for two years and said it showed out front office was terrible etc? How did that work out?

You are going to use Fredette as the case in point? You are using a basic False Dilemma argument. There are more than two choices. Besides Fredette and Wolters being white, they don't have a lot outside that in common. Wolters has the length to really cause problems for opposing guards. He can score very well, albeit not great from the outside. But this is a young guy who will get it going out there. He REALLY can distribute the rock. In his own words he was told to score in college, he had to be pushed. This is a real PG. Fredette was a great scorer in college and little else. Fredette (who I did like coming out) has just been exposed at this higher level. Wolters has actually played well.

The larger point though, is why waste 10 days of roster with Amundson? It makes no sense. It is a Chris Smith head scratcher. I guess they can cut him at any time so maybe they saw him as a practice player. I could see that, but not at this time of the season, not with us tanking.


How about why waste so much money and roster spot on Amare and Bargnani?

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1/17/2015  6:57 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:Knicks scouting department has been one of the worst for years; they have no clue. All if their focus is in scouting high price players.

Lin, Novak, Cope, Cole, Travis Wear. Whatever.

Thank you

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VCoug wrote:
VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this

Why are you using facts and reason in your post? Why aren't you just talking out of your ass and hating on the Knicks front office as others are prone to do?

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – JaMychal Green will sign a 10-day contract with the San Antonio Spurs after departing Friday from their affiliate team at the 2015 NBA D-League Showcase, sources told Yahoo Sports.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said. Green, 24, is averaging 23 points, 10.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists this season for the Austin Spurs of the NBA Development League.

The 6-foot-9, 220-pounder participated in the Spurs’ training camp, but was cut Oct. 22. Green, who played college basketball at Alabama, spent time in the off-season working with the Spurs' renowned shooting coach Chip Engelland.

Irrelevant facts. The NBA D-League is not the same thing as the MLB Minor League. The vast majority of these players do not have contracts with the parent club and are free to sign with whatever team offers them a contract. A contract, by the way, that will be a minimum of $500K; D-League contracts are for $13K, $19K, or $25K.

What I find especially interesting about this argument, though, is that apparently D-Leaguers living at or below the federal poverty level would be unwilling to leave their parent organisation to come here. Yet, free agents next Summer will be willing to.

Oh, and I forgot. Green so desperately wants to stay with SA that he wouldn't consider signing anywhere else signed with the Clippers last season and, after he was waived, played in France.

The spurs made a roster move to sign the guy. Maybe they said they think he can contribute to their team now. Why would he leave the San Antonio organization if they are actively trying to give him an opportunity? So he should tell Pop that he would rather go play for nothing in ny, rather than be apart of a playoff team?

It's really nothing to complain about here

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EnySpree wrote:
VCoug wrote:
VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this

Why are you using facts and reason in your post? Why aren't you just talking out of your ass and hating on the Knicks front office as others are prone to do?

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – JaMychal Green will sign a 10-day contract with the San Antonio Spurs after departing Friday from their affiliate team at the 2015 NBA D-League Showcase, sources told Yahoo Sports.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said. Green, 24, is averaging 23 points, 10.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists this season for the Austin Spurs of the NBA Development League.

The 6-foot-9, 220-pounder participated in the Spurs’ training camp, but was cut Oct. 22. Green, who played college basketball at Alabama, spent time in the off-season working with the Spurs' renowned shooting coach Chip Engelland.

Irrelevant facts. The NBA D-League is not the same thing as the MLB Minor League. The vast majority of these players do not have contracts with the parent club and are free to sign with whatever team offers them a contract. A contract, by the way, that will be a minimum of $500K; D-League contracts are for $13K, $19K, or $25K.

What I find especially interesting about this argument, though, is that apparently D-Leaguers living at or below the federal poverty level would be unwilling to leave their parent organisation to come here. Yet, free agents next Summer will be willing to.

Oh, and I forgot. Green so desperately wants to stay with SA that he wouldn't consider signing anywhere else signed with the Clippers last season and, after he was waived, played in France.

The spurs made a roster move to sign the guy. Maybe they said they think he can contribute to their team now. Why would he leave the San Antonio organization if they are actively trying to give him an opportunity? So he should tell Pop that he would rather go play for nothing in ny, rather than be apart of a playoff team?

It's really nothing to complain about here

Maybe if we had offered him a contract when we had a roster opening almost two weeks ago he would have come here instead of waiting and hoping SA would sign him. Or maybe we just force SA's hand and they sign him earlier. The overall point is that we shouldn't be wasting our time with guys like Amundson and Jason Smith. Clearly, neither player is going to help us this season and neither will be here past this year. Those spots could be used by a player that might help us win games past this season.

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1/17/2015  9:02 PM
VCoug wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
VCoug wrote:
VCoug wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:This guy Green is already in the spurs organization. It's like if the spurs came through and stole Galloway from us. Of course Green is going to come up through the spurs organization. Why would he leave? He has an opportunity to become apart of the second generation, post Tim Duncan era spurs. No use crying over this

Why are you using facts and reason in your post? Why aren't you just talking out of your ass and hating on the Knicks front office as others are prone to do?

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. – JaMychal Green will sign a 10-day contract with the San Antonio Spurs after departing Friday from their affiliate team at the 2015 NBA D-League Showcase, sources told Yahoo Sports.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said. Green, 24, is averaging 23 points, 10.7 rebounds and 2.5 assists this season for the Austin Spurs of the NBA Development League.

The 6-foot-9, 220-pounder participated in the Spurs’ training camp, but was cut Oct. 22. Green, who played college basketball at Alabama, spent time in the off-season working with the Spurs' renowned shooting coach Chip Engelland.

Irrelevant facts. The NBA D-League is not the same thing as the MLB Minor League. The vast majority of these players do not have contracts with the parent club and are free to sign with whatever team offers them a contract. A contract, by the way, that will be a minimum of $500K; D-League contracts are for $13K, $19K, or $25K.

What I find especially interesting about this argument, though, is that apparently D-Leaguers living at or below the federal poverty level would be unwilling to leave their parent organisation to come here. Yet, free agents next Summer will be willing to.

Oh, and I forgot. Green so desperately wants to stay with SA that he wouldn't consider signing anywhere else signed with the Clippers last season and, after he was waived, played in France.

The spurs made a roster move to sign the guy. Maybe they said they think he can contribute to their team now. Why would he leave the San Antonio organization if they are actively trying to give him an opportunity? So he should tell Pop that he would rather go play for nothing in ny, rather than be apart of a playoff team?

It's really nothing to complain about here

Maybe if we had offered him a contract when we had a roster opening almost two weeks ago he would have come here instead of waiting and hoping SA would sign him. Or maybe we just force SA's hand and they sign him earlier. The overall point is that we shouldn't be wasting our time with guys like Amundson and Jason Smith. Clearly, neither player is going to help us this season and neither will be here past this year. Those spots could be used by a player that might help us win games past this season.

Yep. No reason not to try to get a young player who could turn out to be a part of your future when the alternative is a limited vet who won't be on the team the following year anyway. Maybe you go vet if you are making a playoff run. Not the case in NY.
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1/17/2015  9:22 PM
The Knicks did try to sign the kid. It's still up to him and his agent where he goes.

San Antonio is waiving Austin Daye to clear a roster spot for Green, a league source told Yahoo Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski. The Memphis Grizzlies, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks and Philadelphia 76ers had expressed interest in signing the free-agent forward as well, a source said.
Spurs trying to immediately sign j Michael green

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