TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:has it really gotten to the point on this boardwhere there is so little left to talk about that were bashing players over who takes atechnical foul shot.

you are missing the point. He is using this as an example to connect to a larger problem that the Knicks have.

I'm not missing any point. The threads on the terrible roster, inept coach and PJ not knowing what he is doing have been exhausted......so it is right back to how selfish Melo is. The roster is the worst in the league right now and we are all waiting for a high pick and the start of a roster rebuild. How selfish Melo is to take a Tech is the least of the team's concerns.

foosballnick wrote:

TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:has it really gotten to the point on this boardwhere there is so little left to talk about that were bashing players over who takes atechnical foul shot.

you are missing the point. He is using this as an example to connect to a larger problem that the Knicks have.

I'm not missing any point. The threads on the terrible roster, inept coach and PJ not knowing what he is doing have been exhausted......so it is right back to how selfish Melo is. The roster is the worst in the league right now and we are all waiting for a high pick and the start of a roster rebuild. How selfish Melo is to take a Tech is the least of the team's concerns.

Is Melo and his attitude a problem? Did Jordan shoot technicals when Steve Kerr was on the floor?

Melo to me is a big problem and we have a right to vent about him.

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:. Melo was not the problem today He scored when this team simply lacked the talent to score, He passed the ball (although stats don't support it) shot really well today except for two dumb shots he took.

2 assists and 8 turnovers. He tried to pass but he really has no clue how to pass.

He does not understand how and when to pass when he gets doubled and Kidd knew it and hit him hard with it.

Melo is definitely the problem and its becoming quite obvious.

If we don't get a floor leader at guard who can control the game we are fukked.

Can melo contribute when his shot is off? He can't, he just hurts the team and that is the problem.

Quite frankly the deficit would have been a lot worse if he was not playing. I mean eveyone on this team aside from 1 or two players were horrendous

I really don't care if they win or not. I don't care if they missed every single shot.

I care that they play the right way and when you "super" star plays the very wrong way then how can you ask that everyone else play correctly?

I have been very clear in fairly pointing out specific flaws in his game.

Really? When Melo sets his mind to it he can be a very competant passer. His teammates often stood there at times or looked lost on what they were supposed to do on offense. Today he did force some dumb passes but histeammates did share some of the fault. This does not justify his flaws but it is something to take into consideration.

Nobody has been monitoring and documenting his passing opportunities more than me. Check every game thread.

The dude is a very unwilling passer and can't bear to give up the rock and pass up a shot.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:has it really gotten to the point on this boardwhere there is so little left to talk about that were bashing players over who takes atechnical foul shot.

you are missing the point. He is using this as an example to connect to a larger problem that the Knicks have.

I'm not missing any point. The threads on the terrible roster, inept coach and PJ not knowing what he is doing have been exhausted......so it is right back to how selfish Melo is. The roster is the worst in the league right now and we are all waiting for a high pick and the start of a roster rebuild. How selfish Melo is to take a Tech is the least of the team's concerns.

Is Melo and his attitude a problem? Did Jordan shoot technicals when Steve Kerr was on the floor?

Melo to me is a big problem and we have a right to vent about him.

Yea, Melo is killing this team. They'd be better...ohhh wait never mind. No matter what this team would stink to the high heavens. Also, the FT conversation is boarderline braindead. Most teams do the same thing in this instance. Plus not like Melo is a bad FT shooter. He has been excellent throughout his career. Say what u want this yr but this FT thread is absurd. It is not uncommon in this league or at the college level for the best player on the team to get the FTs unless there is a substantially better FT shooter on the floor.

yeah ... Melo is really a good team guy. Talk about brain dead sleep walking.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:has it really gotten to the point on this boardwhere there is so little left to talk about that were bashing players over who takes atechnical foul shot.

you are missing the point. He is using this as an example to connect to a larger problem that the Knicks have.

I'm not missing any point. The threads on the terrible roster, inept coach and PJ not knowing what he is doing have been exhausted......so it is right back to how selfish Melo is. The roster is the worst in the league right now and we are all waiting for a high pick and the start of a roster rebuild. How selfish Melo is to take a Tech is the least of the team's concerns.

Is Melo and his attitude a problem? Did Jordan shoot technicals when Steve Kerr was on the floor?

Melo to me is a big problem and we have a right to vent about him.

Yea, Melo is killing this team. They'd be better...ohhh wait never mind. No matter what this team would stink to the high heavens. Also, the FT conversation is boarderline braindead. Most teams do the same thing in this instance. Plus not like Melo is a bad FT shooter. He has been excellent throughout his career. Say what u want this yr but this FT thread is absurd. It is not uncommon in this league or at the college level for the best player on the team to get the FTs unless there is a substantially better FT shooter on the floor.

calderon??

TPercy wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

TPercy wrote:

foosballnick wrote:has it really gotten to the point on this boardwhere there is so little left to talk about that were bashing players over who takes atechnical foul shot.

you are missing the point. He is using this as an example to connect to a larger problem that the Knicks have.

I'm not missing any point. The threads on the terrible roster, inept coach and PJ not knowing what he is doing have been exhausted......so it is right back to how selfish Melo is. The roster is the worst in the league right now and we are all waiting for a high pick and the start of a roster rebuild. How selfish Melo is to take a Tech is the least of the team's concerns.

Is Melo and his attitude a problem? Did Jordan shoot technicals when Steve Kerr was on the floor?

Melo to me is a big problem and we have a right to vent about him.

Yea, Melo is killing this team. They'd be better...ohhh wait never mind. No matter what this team would stink to the high heavens. Also, the FT conversation is boarderline braindead. Most teams do the same thing in this instance. Plus not like Melo is a bad FT shooter. He has been excellent throughout his career. Say what u want this yr but this FT thread is absurd. It is not uncommon in this league or at the college level for the best player on the team to get the FTs unless there is a substantially better FT shooter on the floor.

calderon??

100% (21 for 21) on the year. and 88 percent for his career vs. 81 for calderon.

I really am curious if Jordan deferred to Kerr on FT's. If he did not then I will concede this point.

mreinman wrote:

misterearl wrote:Not Really gunsnewing

gunsnewing wrote:Most selfish primadonna prick I've ever seen in sports and in general

Sean Hannity. Alex Rodriguez. George Zimmerman. Milan Lucic. Tony Stewart. Lance Armstrong. Ben Roethlisberger. Rush Limbaugh. Aaron Hernandez.

Ray Rice, Bill Cosby, The Jews ...

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:
Yea, Melo is killing this team. They'd be better...ohhh wait never mind. No matter what this team would stink to the high heavens. Also, the FT conversation is boarderline braindead. Most teams do the same thing in this instance. Plus not like Melo is a bad FT shooter. He has been excellent throughout his career. Say what u want this yr but this FT thread is absurd. It is not uncommon in this league or at the college level for the best player on the team to get the FTs unless there is a substantially better FT shooter on the floor.

calderon??

100% (21 for 21) on the year. and 88 percent for his career vs. 81 for calderon.

I really am curious if Jordan deferred to Kerr on FT's. If he did not then I will concede this point.

I knew somebody would throw the 21 for 21 out there. Less than a FT a game also amazing for him. To your question about Jordan, I looked this up and couldn't really find stats to support it. I personally can't recall Jordan differing remembering back. In end of game situations, I recall them going to Jordan to get fouled most often even with Kerr on the floor. Kobe on the other had went to Sasha who was an assassin from the line. To say that this is a theme or problem seems overblown to me. Fine if people want to critique, but it was in the 2nd quarter of a blowout. People in London paid to see Melo, not Jose Calderone. Melo MADE the FT, so the discussion is irrelevant. It seems to be common at most levels to have your leading scorer shoot in this time frame so long as he is a good FT shooter, which Melo is.

On the topic of selfishness, contrary to this "selfish conversation," in end of game situations with Billups, Melo almost always differed. Billups was an all-time great FT shooter. It is also worth noting that "clutch FT shooting stats" show Melo as an improved shooter in end of game situations. Overall, this FT situation demonstrates nothing IMO. If people want to make a big deal out of it to get excited or whatever, that is fine. Will agree to disagree here, but I think some evidence to support that this is out of the ordinary would be nice.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

TPercy wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:
Yea, Melo is killing this team. They'd be better...ohhh wait never mind. No matter what this team would stink to the high heavens. Also, the FT conversation is boarderline braindead. Most teams do the same thing in this instance. Plus not like Melo is a bad FT shooter. He has been excellent throughout his career. Say what u want this yr but this FT thread is absurd. It is not uncommon in this league or at the college level for the best player on the team to get the FTs unless there is a substantially better FT shooter on the floor.

calderon??

100% (21 for 21) on the year. and 88 percent for his career vs. 81 for calderon.

I really am curious if Jordan deferred to Kerr on FT's. If he did not then I will concede this point.

I knew somebody would throw the 21 for 21 out there. Less than a FT a game also amazing for him. To your question about Jordan, I looked this up and couldn't really find stats to support it. I personally can't recall Jordan differing remembering back. In end of game situations, I recall them going to Jordan to get fouled most often even with Kerr on the floor. Kobe on the other had went to Sasha who was an assassin from the line. To say that this is a theme or problem seems overblown to me. Fine if people want to critique, but it was in the 2nd quarter of a blowout. People in London paid to see Melo, not Jose Calderone. Melo MADE the FT, so the discussion is irrelevant. It seems to be common at most levels to have your leading scorer shoot in this time frame so long as he is a good FT shooter, which Melo is.

On the topic of selfishness, contrary to this "selfish conversation," in end of game situations with Billups, Melo almost always differed. Billups was an all-time great FT shooter. It is also worth noting that "clutch FT shooting stats" show Melo as an improved shooter in end of game situations. Overall, this FT situation demonstrates nothing IMO. If people want to make a big deal out of it to get excited or whatever, that is fine. Will agree to disagree here, but I think some evidence to support that this is out of the ordinary would be nice.

Calderon is one of the best free throw shooters of all time and also holds the record for the highest pct in a season.

Its not just the technical that Melo shot, its just a small symptom and fits into who he is and an overall selfish attitude. I have pointed out in many threads what I think that he is doing wrong and the many different examples of non teamwork basketball.

This is not just in London, it happened in the states as well. In a meaningless game (especially), don't you think it would have been prudent from him to at least be a gentleman and say "Jose, its yours". Not a chance because that is not who he is.

His selfish shot selection has been widely documented and has tainted his career in a big way.

People can choose to ignore it but only if you force yourself to.

Moonangie wrote:

mreinman wrote:

misterearl wrote:Not Really gunsnewing

gunsnewing wrote:Most selfish primadonna prick I've ever seen in sports and in general

Sean Hannity. Alex Rodriguez. George Zimmerman. Milan Lucic. Tony Stewart. Lance Armstrong. Ben Roethlisberger. Rush Limbaugh. Aaron Hernandez.

Ray Rice, Bill Cosby, The Jews ...

WTF do you mean by this?

scroll up to seinfeld clip. you jewish?

mreinman wrote:

misterearl wrote:Not Really gunsnewing

gunsnewing wrote:Most selfish primadonna prick I've ever seen in sports and in general

Sean Hannity. Alex Rodriguez. George Zimmerman. Milan Lucic. Tony Stewart. Lance Armstrong. Ben Roethlisberger. Rush Limbaugh. Aaron Hernandez.

Ray Rice, Bill Cosby, The Jews ...

WTF do you mean by this?