knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:How is a guy supposed to run an offense that everyone needs to buy into to function with guys who won't be here next season.

I know the media have been saying this, but I don't get it- these guys will make up our bench, some of them will be here. Thats why we're sticking with the triangle, seeing who can play within it so they can be our bench next year. If they can't be bothered to motivate themselves, then good riddance.

Fishers idea of developing, is throwing a guy on the court and not giving them any define role, or even playing them for extended minutes, so they can get comfortable in their suppose role. It makes no sense at all, and clearly is having zero impact, in fact it's having a sub zero imapact.

Its not about "Now" is it?
A few will stick beyond the season and are playing for raises and fulfil their dreams!
Also, they will scrimmage it.
This is how its going to be. Triangle is not going away. Phil might be the only one running it in the league.
Its not easy. That kind of makes it cool in my book.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:How is a guy supposed to run an offense that everyone needs to buy into to function with guys who won't be here next season.

I know the media have been saying this, but I don't get it- these guys will make up our bench, some of them will be here. Thats why we're sticking with the triangle, seeing who can play within it so they can be our bench next year. If they can't be bothered to motivate themselves, then good riddance.

Fishers idea of developing, is throwing a guy on the court and not giving them any define role, or even playing them for extended minutes, so they can get comfortable in their suppose role. It makes no sense at all, and clearly is having zero impact, in fact it's having a sub zero imapact.

Its not about "Now" is it?
A few will stick beyond the season and are playing for raises and fulfil their dreams!
Also, they will scrimmage it.
This is how its going to be. Triangle is not going away. Phil might be the only one running it in the league.
Its not easy. That kind of makes it cool in my book.

Do you worry about the efficiency level of the triangle? All the mid range shots vs. what teams like Houston, Atlanta and SA are doing?

Or do you just say that Phil is smart and I am good with whatever he does? How about all the other successful smart people who vehemently disagree with him?

I've never heard of one, and neither have you.

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:How is a guy supposed to run an offense that everyone needs to buy into to function with guys who won't be here next season.

I know the media have been saying this, but I don't get it- these guys will make up our bench, some of them will be here. Thats why we're sticking with the triangle, seeing who can play within it so they can be our bench next year. If they can't be bothered to motivate themselves, then good riddance.

Fishers idea of developing, is throwing a guy on the court and not giving them any define role, or even playing them for extended minutes, so they can get comfortable in their suppose role. It makes no sense at all, and clearly is having zero impact, in fact it's having a sub zero imapact.

Its not about "Now" is it?
A few will stick beyond the season and are playing for raises and fulfil their dreams!
Also, they will scrimmage it.
This is how its going to be. Triangle is not going away. Phil might be the only one running it in the league.
Its not easy. That kind of makes it cool in my book.

Do you worry about the efficiency level of the triangle? All the mid range shots vs. what teams like Houston, Atlanta and SA are doing?

Or do you just say that Phil is smart and I am good with whatever he does? How about all the other successful smart people who vehemently disagree with him?

Do you worry about the efficiency level of the triangle?
No. this team sucks. Talent is not there yet.

All the mid range shots vs. what teams like Houston, Atlanta and SA are doing?
Im happy for those teams. They are well constructed and well coached. We are not well constructed and I don't sub-par talent can be taught to win in the NBA.
Houston had to clean house to make moves and they had more picks to start. Opportunity opened up and were able to get Dwight and harden.

Or do you just say that Phil is smart and I am good with whatever he does?
sometimes doing little is the best course. The tyson/ Felton for Sam/Cle/Caledron is a minor play. If you want to go nuts based on 40 games, then have it.
This team was really not going anyhere this year and do believe chemistry is a big thing. If Andrea and Melo were at their top of their game I think Jose would have an easier time. I think Sam came in to get a check and JR injury and ****ty phuch face attitude, along with Shump's agenda contributed to this mess. So bascially there was plan A but I think it was to showcase and dump. I think either way this was not gonna be a playoff team.

How about all the other successful smart people who vehemently disagree with him?
"Smart people"? Media has to create views to create emotion and eyeballs. I have heard remarks that are confident in his ability. Early rankings like teh Shoen was not that encouraging. IM sure Barkley had us not making the playoffs. Also, while its one thing to say "Im not down with all phil does" it assumes a better alternative. Ranting is a nice release but the reality is in 15 years, 8 coaches and 7 GM's im kind of ok with the dude that has the stones and juice card to blow it the phuck up and start over. Will it take longer? I think so. But what was the alternative? More Patch jobe? More trades of picks? Would Lowrey make us contenders? Bargs is still down. We'd be a few games better but middle of the pack with little upside and yet another pick (2018) gone. WE have a chance for a top 3 talent in this years draft and $30 mil in cap space. "Protect the future"!! Yeah, IM down with that.

Nothing wrong with choosing to stay positive. I was hoping that we would get in a team that preached analytically smart basketball. I do agree that Phil has the stones to phuck it up and reboot. He kinda needs to hit that button already actually.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Bargs. What has he done to give you such confidence?

knicks1248 wrote:The way a team plays,is a reflection of there coach.

we play like soft ass pussies, calm cool and passive, no energy, no emotion, confused, and lost.

think about all of our coaches in the past, and tell me the team didn't play like there coaches personality

I pointed that out since the beginning of the season...as a result, I was called impatient. I don't want the dude fired this early, but he needs to show me thAt he is a quick learner. He is definitely a little more vocal with the refs, but his In game adjustments are still horrendous. He NEEDS to be more vocal with the players while the game is on

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:How is a guy supposed to run an offense that everyone needs to buy into to function with guys who won't be here next season.

I know the media have been saying this, but I don't get it- these guys will make up our bench, some of them will be here. Thats why we're sticking with the triangle, seeing who can play within it so they can be our bench next year. If they can't be bothered to motivate themselves, then good riddance.

Fishers idea of developing, is throwing a guy on the court and not giving them any define role, or even playing them for extended minutes, so they can get comfortable in their suppose role. It makes no sense at all, and clearly is having zero impact, in fact it's having a sub zero imapact.

Its not about "Now" is it?
A few will stick beyond the season and are playing for raises and fulfil their dreams!
Also, they will scrimmage it.
This is how its going to be. Triangle is not going away. Phil might be the only one running it in the league.
Its not easy. That kind of makes it cool in my book.

Do you worry about the efficiency level of the triangle? All the mid range shots vs. what teams like Houston, Atlanta and SA are doing?

Or do you just say that Phil is smart and I am good with whatever he does? How about all the other successful smart people who vehemently disagree with him?

Do you worry about the efficiency level of the triangle?
No. this team sucks. Talent is not there yet.

All the mid range shots vs. what teams like Houston, Atlanta and SA are doing?
Im happy for those teams. They are well constructed and well coached. We are not well constructed and I don't sub-par talent can be taught to win in the NBA.
Houston had to clean house to make moves and they had more picks to start. Opportunity opened up and were able to get Dwight and harden.

Or do you just say that Phil is smart and I am good with whatever he does?
sometimes doing little is the best course. The tyson/ Felton for Sam/Cle/Caledron is a minor play. If you want to go nuts based on 40 games, then have it.
This team was really not going anyhere this year and do believe chemistry is a big thing. If Andrea and Melo were at their top of their game I think Jose would have an easier time. I think Sam came in to get a check and JR injury and ****ty phuch face attitude, along with Shump's agenda contributed to this mess. So bascially there was plan A but I think it was to showcase and dump. I think either way this was not gonna be a playoff team.

How about all the other successful smart people who vehemently disagree with him?
"Smart people"? Media has to create views to create emotion and eyeballs. I have heard remarks that are confident in his ability. Early rankings like teh Shoen was not that encouraging. IM sure Barkley had us not making the playoffs. Also, while its one thing to say "Im not down with all phil does" it assumes a better alternative. Ranting is a nice release but the reality is in 15 years, 8 coaches and 7 GM's im kind of ok with the dude that has the stones and juice card to blow it the phuck up and start over. Will it take longer? I think so. But what was the alternative? More Patch jobe? More trades of picks? Would Lowrey make us contenders? Bargs is still down. We'd be a few games better but middle of the pack with little upside and yet another pick (2018) gone. WE have a chance for a top 3 talent in this years draft and $30 mil in cap space. "Protect the future"!! Yeah, IM down with that.

Nothing wrong with choosing to stay positive. I was hoping that we would get in a team that preached analytically smart basketball. I do agree that Phil has the stones to phuck it up and reboot. He kinda needs to hit that button already actually.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Bargs. What has he done to give you such confidence?

Regarding Fish, what was his personality in 16 years on the court? Cool and a leader.

BTW, Lenny, Larry, Isiah are HOF. Chaney, MDA and even woodson all had good track records with other teams BEFORE. When we finally get a fresh approach some are freaking out that Fish and his band of Merry blingle men are clueless? Kurt, Cleamons and Fish were hired by the Mack Freaking daddy of coaching history!

How many rings they have, and Phils? 1248 can you even begin to think other than the Rev. Mark Jackson who you want to coach the triangle? A proven name? Someone to believe in? A starphuch?
We wiped the slate clean. Im actually excited by the prostpects of the next 3-5 years. I can't see it, I can't smell it nor predict how it unfolds, but all any media can tell me is "Knicks should have traded Shump last year". Yeah, should have. But phil was not here. In fact, I'll go one futher, in a diciplined approach you don't even draft him!!! Or sign a malcontent like JR. Or for that matter empty the cupboard for Melo to begin with!!!!!! Ive been the pied piper of "Change how decisions are made and you'll effect change and stop making stupid moves". Thats why Im a "believer"! Signing Amare was idiotic! Reeked of Dolan. Run over your GM and throw in the Moz? Dolan. BTW, GM's don't sign 100millon dollar players, owners do.

So here we are cleaning up the mess made over 15 years that accumulates and the stench is not pretty.

If some of you wanted change, you GOT IT!!!! Some of you wanted dolan out, well you got an even better deal, we get to keep his money and he steps aside!!!
YOu wanted a young fresh coach? You got it. We get everything but Melo gone.

For this to work Melo must not be the alpha dog, but good soldier. We don't have that Alpha so just deal with him. Give him the ball, he'll shoot. Don't want him to shoot, give the ball to someone else. Who? Well thats not apparent yet. Remember the olympics? Dude killed it. He just shot. He is a finisher. Not Jordan, not Kobe.

You can talk about the offense and scrubs but that was the first mistake. They should have started with defensive principles that makes sense in today's NBA.

I actually think the triangle can work with a tweak. I think a "small ball" triangle might be the ticket to success. They would need another 3/4 though with 3 pt shooting ability.

yellowboy90 wrote:I don't get the Bargs expectation plus Bargs played all year in the form of Jason Smith.

You can talk about the offense and scrubs but that was the first mistake. They should have started with defensive principles that makes sense in today's NBA.

I actually think the triangle can work with a tweak. I think a "small ball" triangle might be the ticket to success. They would need another 3/4 though with 3 pt shooting ability.

BigDaddyG wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I don't get the Bargs expectation plus Bargs played all year in the form of Jason Smith.

You can talk about the offense and scrubs but that was the first mistake. They should have started with defensive principles that makes sense in today's NBA.

I actually think the triangle can work with a tweak. I think a "small ball" triangle might be the ticket to success. They would need another 3/4 though with 3 pt shooting ability.

I agree that the triangle can be tweaked. The real problem is that this team has no real presence in the interior. There's no one worth collapsing the defense for outside of Melo and STAT, who have been hurt for large portions of the year, which leaves us forcing contested Js from all over the court. Cole doesn't command that type of respect, Jose and Pablo aren't a threat to drive to finish and THJ has been off. All of those things make life easier if I'm defending.

The tweak is not about this year but next year and going forward. This year needs to be about finding out about role players. Can Wear and Early be counted on? Test those guys defensively by guarding 3s/4s and see if they can do things offensively as well. Find out if Acy jumper is legit. He is putting up great numbers but will they stay this high or did they go up at the end of the year. You also need to see him compete without fouling on D and become a better weak side rim protector. They are all cheap and young so if they have potential as contributors then the knicks would be on the look out for just starters going forward.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:How is a guy supposed to run an offense that everyone needs to buy into to function with guys who won't be here next season.

I know the media have been saying this, but I don't get it- these guys will make up our bench, some of them will be here. Thats why we're sticking with the triangle, seeing who can play within it so they can be our bench next year. If they can't be bothered to motivate themselves, then good riddance.

Fishers idea of developing, is throwing a guy on the court and not giving them any define role, or even playing them for extended minutes, so they can get comfortable in their suppose role. It makes no sense at all, and clearly is having zero impact, in fact it's having a sub zero imapact.

Its not about "Now" is it?
A few will stick beyond the season and are playing for raises and fulfil their dreams!
Also, they will scrimmage it.
This is how its going to be. Triangle is not going away. Phil might be the only one running it in the league.
Its not easy. That kind of makes it cool in my book.

Do you worry about the efficiency level of the triangle? All the mid range shots vs. what teams like Houston, Atlanta and SA are doing?

Or do you just say that Phil is smart and I am good with whatever he does? How about all the other successful smart people who vehemently disagree with him?

Do you worry about the efficiency level of the triangle?
No. this team sucks. Talent is not there yet.

All the mid range shots vs. what teams like Houston, Atlanta and SA are doing?
Im happy for those teams. They are well constructed and well coached. We are not well constructed and I don't sub-par talent can be taught to win in the NBA.
Houston had to clean house to make moves and they had more picks to start. Opportunity opened up and were able to get Dwight and harden.

Or do you just say that Phil is smart and I am good with whatever he does?
sometimes doing little is the best course. The tyson/ Felton for Sam/Cle/Caledron is a minor play. If you want to go nuts based on 40 games, then have it.
This team was really not going anyhere this year and do believe chemistry is a big thing. If Andrea and Melo were at their top of their game I think Jose would have an easier time. I think Sam came in to get a check and JR injury and ****ty phuch face attitude, along with Shump's agenda contributed to this mess. So bascially there was plan A but I think it was to showcase and dump. I think either way this was not gonna be a playoff team.

How about all the other successful smart people who vehemently disagree with him?
"Smart people"? Media has to create views to create emotion and eyeballs. I have heard remarks that are confident in his ability. Early rankings like teh Shoen was not that encouraging. IM sure Barkley had us not making the playoffs. Also, while its one thing to say "Im not down with all phil does" it assumes a better alternative. Ranting is a nice release but the reality is in 15 years, 8 coaches and 7 GM's im kind of ok with the dude that has the stones and juice card to blow it the phuck up and start over. Will it take longer? I think so. But what was the alternative? More Patch jobe? More trades of picks? Would Lowrey make us contenders? Bargs is still down. We'd be a few games better but middle of the pack with little upside and yet another pick (2018) gone. WE have a chance for a top 3 talent in this years draft and $30 mil in cap space. "Protect the future"!! Yeah, IM down with that.

Nothing wrong with choosing to stay positive. I was hoping that we would get in a team that preached analytically smart basketball. I do agree that Phil has the stones to phuck it up and reboot. He kinda needs to hit that button already actually.

Not sure why you keep mentioning Bargs. What has he done to give you such confidence?

I think Phil was counting Bargs. 15-6 career avg includes injury. I used "if". Chemistry adds up 1+1=3. "If" phil envisioned front of Sam/Cole pretecdting the rim with Bargs/Melo and Amare off the bench in small doses it "COuld" added up. Look, im not defending it, just saying "could have" been. If it worked, I still think he sells pieces. Given that, I think he was really hoping to get something in return for Bargs, maybe a low pick. Maybe OKC puts him and Ibaka up front. Bargs is 7 phuching feet tall!!! (ok, 6'11 but not as funny sounding)and has it in him to be a very good player!

Regarding Fish, what was his personality in 16 years on the court? Cool and a leader.

BTW, Lenny, Larry, Isiah are HOF. Chaney, MDA and even woodson all had good track records with other teams BEFORE. When we finally get a fresh approach some are freaking out that Fish and his band of Merry blingle men are clueless? Kurt, Cleamons and Fish were hired by the Mack Freaking daddy of coaching history!

How many rings they have, and Phils? 1248 can you even begin to think other than the Rev. Mark Jackson who you want to coach the triangle? A proven name? Someone to believe in? A starphuch?
We wiped the slate clean. Im actually excited by the prostpects of the next 3-5 years. I can't see it, I can't smell it nor predict how it unfolds, but all any media can tell me is "Knicks should have traded Shump last year". Yeah, should have. But phil was not here. In fact, I'll go one futher, in a diciplined approach you don't even draft him!!! Or sign a malcontent like JR. Or for that matter empty the cupboard for Melo to begin with!!!!!! Ive been the pied piper of "Change how decisions are made and you'll effect change and stop making stupid moves". Thats why Im a "believer"! Signing Amare was idiotic! Reeked of Dolan. Run over your GM and throw in the Moz? Dolan. BTW, GM's don't sign 100millon dollar players, owners do.

So here we are cleaning up the mess made over 15 years that accumulates and the stench is not pretty.

If some of you wanted change, you GOT IT!!!! Some of you wanted dolan out, well you got an even better deal, we get to keep his money and he steps aside!!!
YOu wanted a young fresh coach? You got it. We get everything but Melo gone.

For this to work Melo must not be the alpha dog, but good soldier. We don't have that Alpha so just deal with him. Give him the ball, he'll shoot. Don't want him to shoot, give the ball to someone else. Who? Well thats not apparent yet. Remember the olympics? Dude killed it. He just shot. He is a finisher. Not Jordan, not Kobe.

dude, for the life of me, I can't figure out why some of you think of melo as the center of the knicks. He's not, doesn't want to be, and will never be, he's just a top scorer who can get you buckets when every one else is shooting bricks. The guy is getting paid because he's a top 3 scorer, not a top 3 player. Once MF realize this, you will except his role and stop wishing he was this all around "make every body better player".

Fisher is a locker room guy, a cool calm guy who is always positive when everything looks negative. That doesn't qualify you to be a head coach, apparently phil made a mistake,he's just not man enough to say it, and to some degree, he would lose tons of credibility by doing so, but It's clearly a bad fit.