BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'd almost say we should trade cap space (with Amar'e or Barg's ending deal) for picks.

I think picks are needed more than any FA big name (who isn't going to sign here anyway!)

how is Amare's and Bargs' space worth anything? Its not.

A couple decent deals have been mentioned... but the gist is simple. We pass on FAs because we add salary but we get picks in return. Its still a business the league is full of lopsided trades talent-wise because one team saved money.

the only way to dump salary is to take on someone elses unwanted crap.

I really hope that we stay away from that.

Thats why we would get a pick--this is a rebuild--if you have to take crp--you take it. Were not spending 34 mm on FA this year--just listen to what Phil said.

Briggs... Thats just Phil hedging. You dont think if he can get Aldridge and Rondo to split $34mm in cap space he doesnt pull the trigger?

I think he's just looking at all options. I honestly think the last time we did this MSG really thought they had a good chance to land Lebron, where as this management would welcome that but arent kidding themselves.

No I don't. he has 5 years to put a team he wants together. hes not throwing it away in one year.

I agree and I'm hopeful we are finally going about things differently instead of the same starphuching that put us in this 15yr predictament. Although he almost damn near throw it away giving Melo that contract. Whether pressured by Dolan or not

check list

Fired woodson- hired fisher, this is looking like a disaster

resigned melo to a max deal, and all of a sudden he has Knee issues, which is never a good thing

Drafted Early..Jury's still out

Traded tyson and felton , for Caleron, Early, Daly, larkin, bad trade all the way around

Signed jason Smith, "Mr perfect fit for the triangle" I think not

hired a triangle bunch of coaches, who can't figure out to teach the new generation a old school system.

Thats 1 out 6, which is utter failure..we should have faith I guess.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With top 5 protection--Im willing to swap a 2018 1st rounder for a pick 15-22(ONLY for a player we feel great about--that in other drafts might be worth a very decent lottery pick)

No, Briggs, you'd want the Knicks to pull off such a trade if it was a player YOU WOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT. You don't give a flying **** what the rest of us think about said player if you've already decided in your head the kid will be a future All Star.

Players who slip out of the top 3 picks and end up being franchise cores typically still operate within the TOP TEN picks. Guys like Steph Curry, Andre Drummond, Paul George ( pre injury). They weren't top 3 picks, but if teams could do it over again, sure those guys would move much higher. But those guys moved in the top ten.

Sacrificing a 2018 first, when it could be the 6th player in that draft, for a guy right now in the 16-25 range would be madness. How many guys picked up in the 16-25 range end up as a core player on a contender? It happens sometimes, but against what odds?

The Knicks could very well miss out on the next Steph Curry in long shot pursuit of the next Rondo. Or Deng. Or Monta Ellis ( 2nd rounder I know)

The only way the Knicks are going to get said late first is to take on a bad contract and/or dump future assets. Likely both.

You want to do that for a long shot stab in the dark? Many players in the range you are talking about MISS. They don't WORK OUT. It's what you fail to accept Briggs, one of your many glitches is you assume because you like a guy, he will automatically pan out and work out in the NBA and on the Knicks. It doesn't even cross your mind that a player you like, even if the Knicks got him, might not work out.

Right!

And if you call him on something or ask him a questions, or argue with him, he simply does not respond. Like he is too saintly with his knowledge in engage with us peasants.

Also, he and Nix are just so sure about the future while the rest of us try to predict but have no clue how it will unfold.

Weird ...

BRIGGS wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With top 5 protection--Im willing to swap a 2018 1st rounder for a pick 15-22(ONLY for a player we feel great about--that in other drafts might be worth a very decent lottery pick)

No, Briggs, you'd want the Knicks to pull off such a trade if it was a player YOU WOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT. You don't give a flying **** what the rest of us think about said player if you've already decided in your head the kid will be a future All Star.

Players who slip out of the top 3 picks and end up being franchise cores typically still operate within the TOP TEN picks. Guys like Steph Curry, Andre Drummond, Paul George ( pre injury). They weren't top 3 picks, but if teams could do it over again, sure those guys would move much higher. But those guys moved in the top ten.

Sacrificing a 2018 first, when it could be the 6th player in that draft, for a guy right now in the 16-25 range would be madness. How many guys picked up in the 16-25 range end up as a core player on a contender? It happens sometimes, but against what odds?

The Knicks could very well miss out on the next Steph Curry in long shot pursuit of the next Rondo. Or Deng. Or Monta Ellis ( 2nd rounder I know)

The only way the Knicks are going to get said late first is to take on a bad contract and/or dump future assets. Likely both.

You want to do that for a long shot stab in the dark? Many players in the range you are talking about MISS. They don't WORK OUT. It's what you fail to accept Briggs, one of your many glitches is you assume because you like a guy, he will automatically pan out and work out in the NBA and on the Knicks. It doesn't even cross your mind that a player you like, even if the Knicks got him, might not work out.

Actually for the right player it makes all the sense in the world. All Im doing is moving my 2018 pick into 2015 to expedite rebuilding. With top 5 protection that keeps me out of the danger we have followed in the past. I'm not going to sit here and argue about it--Im sure the people runing the NY Knicks can seea potential gold mine of big men running through the first round. So many bigs--a HIGHLY unusual year. Lets say for example we get a Towns or Okafor--and behold players like a Portis an Upshaw maybe Myles Turner Christian Wood Frank Kamnisky Willie Stein Harrell--the fact is there are so many SOMEONE good is falling. Bobby Portis looks like a cross between Chris Bosh and Jermaine Oneal and is currently ranked around 22 according to mock drafts--that would be a s teal around pick 18 or 19. Why not be aggressive now and develop now so that when 2018 roles around that played is already on a winning core and we protect the pick top5 to hedge against catastrophic failure. Jees I hope that Phil can take on a nasty contract for pick--for the right players I might be willing to draft 3 times. There are going to be some good 2nd round guards possibly undrafted--if they want we can just purchase those--but for bigs--its going to cost is. This draft is unusual--we need to take advantage of it.

What if it dosen't work out and 2018 rolls around then what?

Ask yourself this question, if PJ said I want the pick from OKC, do the trade still go thru. Yes it does bc the Cavs was not taking a chance to get rid of Waiters and not get Shump.

My point is PJ does not care about picks and wont be surprise if he trades the #1 overall pick.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With top 5 protection--Im willing to swap a 2018 1st rounder for a pick 15-22(ONLY for a player we feel great about--that in other drafts might be worth a very decent lottery pick)

No, Briggs, you'd want the Knicks to pull off such a trade if it was a player YOU WOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT. You don't give a flying **** what the rest of us think about said player if you've already decided in your head the kid will be a future All Star.

Players who slip out of the top 3 picks and end up being franchise cores typically still operate within the TOP TEN picks. Guys like Steph Curry, Andre Drummond, Paul George ( pre injury). They weren't top 3 picks, but if teams could do it over again, sure those guys would move much higher. But those guys moved in the top ten.

Sacrificing a 2018 first, when it could be the 6th player in that draft, for a guy right now in the 16-25 range would be madness. How many guys picked up in the 16-25 range end up as a core player on a contender? It happens sometimes, but against what odds?

The Knicks could very well miss out on the next Steph Curry in long shot pursuit of the next Rondo. Or Deng. Or Monta Ellis ( 2nd rounder I know)

The only way the Knicks are going to get said late first is to take on a bad contract and/or dump future assets. Likely both.

You want to do that for a long shot stab in the dark? Many players in the range you are talking about MISS. They don't WORK OUT. It's what you fail to accept Briggs, one of your many glitches is you assume because you like a guy, he will automatically pan out and work out in the NBA and on the Knicks. It doesn't even cross your mind that a player you like, even if the Knicks got him, might not work out.

I feel quite different this is a trade that's close to doable

But the protection probably needs to be Top 10

There have been countless number of players who don't pan out in the lottery too

Usually BRIGGS offers up scenarios where teams become a Special Victims Unit