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1/10/2015  12:11 PM
He has played less minutes than Wear. Who is in charge of developing this kid
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1/10/2015  12:16 PM
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Allanfan20 wrote:For the record, I give him a pass for the first 2 playoffs because he really had nobody... even though he really could have done a better job stepping up. However, in both of the playoff series in the season we lost in the second round, he does not get a pass. He had a more complete team and other guys made a contribution. While we went a blamed Smith (I was absolutely Smith's loudest critic), we hardly even noticed that Melo wasn't playing nearly as well as we needed him to. He got a big time pass that he didn't deserve to get.

But we lost to a better team...How can you complain about that??..The better team wins in the playoffs..

And speaking about Melo, he was doubled in that series..No one else contributed anything..How did Denver do in the second round??

The Knicks were a more complete team before the playoffs that year but the team was far from complete when they played indy. Tyson was invisible in the Indy series, Kidd was done, JR fell a part after the Terry incident and was far from competent on the court, the sage crew was gone except for KMart, and Melo was hurt. I know there was more but that team just couldn't hold up. It had the character and make up to be good but too many old guys and too many core guys that melted under the big lights.
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1/10/2015  12:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??
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1/10/2015  12:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:For the record, I give him a pass for the first 2 playoffs because he really had nobody... even though he really could have done a better job stepping up. However, in both of the playoff series in the season we lost in the second round, he does not get a pass. He had a more complete team and other guys made a contribution. While we went a blamed Smith (I was absolutely Smith's loudest critic), we hardly even noticed that Melo wasn't playing nearly as well as we needed him to. He got a big time pass that he didn't deserve to get.

But we lost to a better team...How can you complain about that??..The better team wins in the playoffs..

And speaking about Melo, he was doubled in that series..No one else contributed anything..How did Denver do in the second round??

The Knicks were a more complete team before the playoffs that year but the team was far from complete when they played indy. Tyson was invisible in the Indy series, Kidd was done, JR fell a part after the Terry incident and was far from competent on the court, the sage crew was gone except for KMart, and Melo was hurt. I know there was more but that team just couldn't hold up. It had the character and make up to be good but too many old guys and too many core guys that melted under the big lights.

Completely agree..But as a franchise you should build on that..Move the pieces that aren't playoff ready..
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1/10/2015  12:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

Pretty much. However, that's coming from the guy who has blamed every single coach we have had as if other teams don't face those roadblocks. Last I saw, Woodson did a killer job that year we made it to round two, as well as the lockout season.

And I am pretty sure that so far, I am not wrong about the part about me saying it's close to impossible to build a team around Melo with his salary AND style of play. God knows I will admit to being wrong and I will post a youtube video of me eating a picture of a crow because I actually root for the guy. I don't see me being wrong though.

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1/10/2015  12:21 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2015  12:22 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??

Not good enough. You would've liked to have built a more sustainable contender after all those years of sucking. Couldn't do it because of lack of draft picks and assets and being well over the cap. So you settle for cheap dinosaurs like Kidd, Rasheed, prigioni, Kenyon and Camby
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1/10/2015  12:22 PM
I like what I see from Okafor's game but if Denver was willing to move Nurkic, Harris and their 2015 pick for him.... I'd take it and would even take back McGee to make it work.
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1/10/2015  12:23 PM
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??

We were headed to the playoffs that year, before we made the trade.

“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
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1/10/2015  12:24 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??

Not good enough. You would've liked to have built a more sustainable contender after all those years of sucking. Couldn't do it because of lack of draft picks and assets and being well over the cap. So you settle for cheap dinosaurs like Kidd, Rasheed, prigioni, Kenyon and Camby

So how come Denver wasn't able to built that contender with those assets?
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1/10/2015  12:25 PM
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??

Not good enough. You would've liked to have built a more sustainable contender after all those years of sucking. Couldn't do it because of lack of draft picks and assets and being well over the cap. So you settle for cheap dinosaurs like Kidd, Rasheed, prigioni, Kenyon and Camby

So how come Denver wasn't able to built that contender with those assets?

That's their problem not ours
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1/10/2015  12:26 PM
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??

Not good enough. You would've liked to have built a more sustainable contender after all those years of sucking. Couldn't do it because of lack of draft picks and assets and being well over the cap. So you settle for cheap dinosaurs like Kidd, Rasheed, prigioni, Kenyon and Camby

So how come Denver wasn't able to built that contender with those assets?

How come we haven't been able to build a contender with Melo? Again, not bashing Melo himself... but why haven't we?

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1/10/2015  12:28 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??

Not good enough. You would've liked to have built a more sustainable contender after all those years of sucking. Couldn't do it because of lack of draft picks and assets and being well over the cap. So you settle for cheap dinosaurs like Kidd, Rasheed, prigioni, Kenyon and Camby

So how come Denver wasn't able to built that contender with those assets?

How come we haven't been able to build a contender with Melo? Again, not bashing Melo himself... but why haven't we?

You can look at our problems through a straw and point it at Melo or you could remove the straw and look at the team/organization..
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1/10/2015  12:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2015  12:34 PM
But to answer your question...We have had bad coaches with their own vision of things and have had bad GMs as well...We should have never brought in Tyson..We could have waited for Chris Paul...We should not have picked up Billups' option then amnesty..We could have amnesty Amare...etc, etc, etc...
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1/10/2015  12:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:By next year he will be the best C in the league. Hes already highly skilled and 6-11 280 no one will be able to stop him. He ate up Cousins last night at will. By the way that was a Carmelo draft pick used in acquiring him and Harris.

So when Dolan sits down to jerk off over melo for the 1000 time--he can just remember just how F stupid he is.

At first I thought you were over exaggerating, but then I looked at the current crop of NBA centres and it's depressing how much lack of talent there is at the moment. I don't think he will be the best C next year, but to be honest he doesn't have that much competition!

Stupid Cavs- if you're giving up 2 firsts, why not target the better C?!
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1/10/2015  12:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2015  12:35 PM
holfresh wrote:But to answer your question...We have had bad coaches with their own vision of things and have had back GMs...We should have never brought in Tyson..We could have waited for Chris Paul...We should not have picked up Billups' option then amnesty..We could have amnesty Amare...etc, etc, etc...

Hol What assets did we have to trade for Chris Paul? Were you willing to give up a lottery pick every other year til 2020?
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1/10/2015  12:35 PM
Meanwhile Cousins stat line.. 32pts, 13 bds, 4 asst, 4 blks..
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1/10/2015  12:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/10/2015  12:38 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:But to answer your question...We have had bad coaches with their own vision of things and have had back GMs...We should have never brought in Tyson..We could have waited for Chris Paul...We should not have picked up Billups' option then amnesty..We could have amnesty Amare...etc, etc, etc...

Hol What assets did we have to trade for Chris Paul? Were you willing to give up a lottery pick every other year til 2020?

Wasn't he a free agent after he was traded?..Didn't he and others make news saying they would play together in NY??
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1/10/2015  12:38 PM
Sign and trade. New Orleans got Eric Gordon and company plus picks
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1/10/2015  12:42 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:If you thought the trade would solved problem of having a bad coach then you were wrong..If you thought the trade would have solved the problem of having a bad GM then you were wrong..If you thought the trade meant Amare will stay healthy, we were all wrong there...If you thought the trade would solved the problem of our owner starphucking with these GMs/Coaches that everyone seems to endorse, and now backpedaling, then you were wrong there too...

In other words, the Melo trade was the steal of the century.
But if you thought anything good would happen from it, you were wrong.

We landed one if the best players in the league and wnet to the playoffs for the first time in a decade..not good??

Not good enough. You would've liked to have built a more sustainable contender after all those years of sucking. Couldn't do it because of lack of draft picks and assets and being well over the cap. So you settle for cheap dinosaurs like Kidd, Rasheed, prigioni, Kenyon and Camby

So how come Denver wasn't able to built that contender with those assets?

How come we haven't been able to build a contender with Melo? Again, not bashing Melo himself... but why haven't we?


Forget that, how come we haven't even been able to build a consisent .500 team?
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1/10/2015  12:44 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Sign and trade. New Orleans got Eric Gordon and company plus picks

He was as free agent after that deal..It wasn't a sign and trade..He later resigned with them in 2013..
http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/07/10/chris-paul-clippers-contract-re-sign-official
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