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WaltLongmire
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1/9/2015  12:06 PM
Regarding our partners of ineptitude: I expect Minny would take Okafor... is it a foregone conclusion that Philly would?

Just wondering.

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1/9/2015  12:07 PM
smackeddog wrote:If we don't get the number 1 pick, can we all agree to stop comparing OK4 to Duncan and instead compare him to Al Jefferson- it will help ease the pain

We should be comparing him to Jefferson anyway; that's his best comp as far as I'm concerned.

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1/9/2015  12:11 PM
VCoug wrote:
smackeddog wrote:If we don't get the number 1 pick, can we all agree to stop comparing OK4 to Duncan and instead compare him to Al Jefferson- it will help ease the pain

We should be comparing him to Jefferson anyway; that's his best comp as far as I'm concerned.

Doesn't quite keep our morale up though, saying if we endure the worst season in Knicks history, we might have a shot at the next Al Jefferson!

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1/9/2015  12:31 PM
Al Jefferson ... YAY!!
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/9/2015  12:56 PM
mreinman wrote:Al Jefferson ... YAY!!
hey... could be a lot worse. You hope for more with pick #1 but better to have Al Jefferson than Bargs
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1/9/2015  1:14 PM
smackeddog wrote:If we don't get the number 1 pick, can we all agree to stop comparing OK4 to Duncan and instead compare him to Al Jefferson- it will help ease the pain

Haha I can see it already. OK4 is no better than Jared Sullinger and Mike Sweetney

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1/9/2015  1:17 PM
smackeddog wrote:
VCoug wrote:
smackeddog wrote:If we don't get the number 1 pick, can we all agree to stop comparing OK4 to Duncan and instead compare him to Al Jefferson- it will help ease the pain

We should be comparing him to Jefferson anyway; that's his best comp as far as I'm concerned.

Doesn't quite keep our morale up though, saying if we endure the worst season in Knicks history, we might have a shot at the next Al Jefferson!

I don't think there's really any high-end, MVP-caliber talent in this draft, unless there's some foreign player (not Mudiay) with that upside. I think there's a lot of very good talent in this draft, we're not talking about the 2000 or 2013 drafts but I don't think it's the 2004 draft either.

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1/9/2015  1:17 PM
smackeddog wrote:If we don't get the number 1 pick, can we all agree to stop comparing OK4 to Duncan and instead compare him to Al Jefferson- it will help ease the pain

Al Jefferson? He'll be Olowokandi to me.

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1/9/2015  2:35 PM
fishmike wrote:
mreinman wrote:Al Jefferson ... YAY!!
hey... could be a lot worse. You hope for more with pick #1 but better to have Al Jefferson than Bargs

was hoping we can get a real game changer with our pick.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/9/2015  3:25 PM
I'd be okay with Towns at 2. There is nothing wrong with him as a consultation prize. Give me a big that can rebound at a high level while surrounded by other great rebounders and not only that he passes, blks shots, and shows signs of having a offensive game.
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1/9/2015  3:28 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I'd be okay with Towns at 2. There is nothing wrong with him as a consultation prize. Give me a big that can rebound at a high level while surrounded by other great rebounders and not only that he passes, blks shots, and shows signs of having a offensive game.

I'm ok with towns too.

just wish we can hit big on a PG like liliard and curry or a harden type. Bigs take forever to develop.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/9/2015  3:35 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I'd be okay with Towns at 2. There is nothing wrong with him as a consultation prize. Give me a big that can rebound at a high level while surrounded by other great rebounders and not only that he passes, blks shots, and shows signs of having a offensive game.

yup and he has done more than show signs on offense. If he was starting for a team other than Kentucky his numbers would be dominant

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1/9/2015  3:42 PM
mreinman wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I'd be okay with Towns at 2. There is nothing wrong with him as a consultation prize. Give me a big that can rebound at a high level while surrounded by other great rebounders and not only that he passes, blks shots, and shows signs of having a offensive game.

I'm ok with towns too.

just wish we can hit big on a PG like liliard and curry or a harden type. Bigs take forever to develop.

It took Curry a while too but that could be injury related. Also their are always those types availble but sometimes they becomes the McCollums, Fredettes, and Waiters of the world. The draft is a crap shoot and you never know. Okafor could be identical to what Duncan look like as a 19 y.o. and he could end up being awful.

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1/9/2015  3:52 PM
I would also like to say that Ok4 is rebounding, blking, and passing at a good to high level for a freshman. He could maybe be a prime Andrew Bynum. Actually, Bynum never reached his prime. Imagine if Ok4 is Bynum without injury or being a head case.
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1/9/2015  4:18 PM
It's pretty simple. The team with the worst record has the best singular odds for pick 1. Of course those odds have shown to be somewhat true there is a 75% chance that u don't get pick 1 the odds are what they are. I would say pick 1 is due but that's my own believe in the long term odds of the process
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1/9/2015  4:39 PM
The lottery is still a great opportunity for this team to grab a player who can be part of a new core.

The lottery is conducted with witnesses verifying that all 14 balls are represented once as they are placed in the lottery machine. The balls are placed in the machine for 20 seconds to randomize prior to having the first ball drawn. The remaining three balls are drawn at 10-second intervals.

NBA officials determine which team holds the winning combination and that franchise is awarded the #1 overall draft pick. The four balls are returned to the machine and the process is repeated to determine the second and third picks. In the event that a combination belongs to a team that has already won its pick (or if the one unassigned combination comes up), the round is repeated until a unique winner is determined.

When the first three teams have been determined, the remaining picks are given out based on regular season record with the worst teams getting the highest picks. This assures each team that it can drop no more than three spots from its projected draft position.

Seed	Chances	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	6th	
1 250 .250 .215 .178 .357
2 199 .199 .188 .171 .319 .123
3 156 .156 .157 .156 .226 .265 .040
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1/9/2015  4:52 PM
I doubt it, Danny Ainge has

The mother load of picks they don't


Need anything else, heck if they trade Green

He'll be receiving more picks, enough is enough with them

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1/9/2015  5:15 PM
smackeddog wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
H1AND1 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:Yeah, one of the beat writers tweeted a picture showing how rare it's been that the worst team gets the top pick. I think the Lakers will end up with the no 1.

Although Bonn1997 said something about 'gamblers fallacy', meaning with regards to odds, what has come before has no bearing on what will come next.

He is exactly right. The fact that the worst team hasn't won in so long is simply an aberration. Repeated over the "long run", the odds will even out and you'll see the team with the worst record winning at the appropriate clip. Thus since the team with the worst odds still mathematically has the best chance, teams should aim for the worst record no matter what has happened in the past.

Exactly, math is on our side now. The odds must work back to average out and the worst record is due the #1 pick.
After seeing more video of Okafor, that guy is definitely the #1 pick. He has so much Tim Duncan (but more amped/energetic) in his offensive game. Sorry, I don't watch a ton of ball, but his footwork and moves inside just reminded me of Tim. If we don't get the #1 pick, I don't think we can go with Towns, he is just too far away. Perhaps that guard Briggs mentioned as he can contribute. Yeah, that part bit with that guy currently on the Lakers. But, now, with a lot of cap space and Melo, we need someone who can contribute more than Towns.

that's the gambler fallacy Bonn1997 was talking about- what has come before has no bearing on what will happen this year- they are two completely independent events. The deluded gambler (i.e. me!) would look at that record and say "well the worst team is due to have either the 1st pick or the 3rd, because neither has happened in a while", but the reality is the odds will be exactly the same as they were in each if those previous years. The lottery machine doesn't remember what came before.


Yeah, the ping pong balls don't realize what happened in the past and try to compensate for it. We still have a 1 in 4 chance if we have the worst record of getting the #1 pick - not a better chance because "we're due" and not a worse chance because the worst team "never gets #1"
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1/9/2015  8:05 PM
The Celtic are making some very suspicious moves for this draft and we need to take notes. They are compiling a lot of picks; chances are, they will look to trade them for a couple of super-stars
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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1/9/2015  10:26 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:The Celtic are making some very suspicious moves for this draft and we need to take notes. They are compiling a lot of picks; chances are, they will look to trade them for a couple of super-stars

By suspicious do you mean smart? How is it suspicious? They are stockpiling assets and I for one am jealous!

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