Wear has the makings of a good 6th man if he can keep progressing. Loved Galloway's energy. Early is making good use of his minutes. Calderon looks like a weekend warrior who stumbled onto an NBA game. If Bargs was a horse they would have shot him by now.

I agree it was fun to watch, nice to see the ball moving well at times. This season is about role players and this is a great opportunity to give ours a closer look.

BRIGGS wrote:When you have guys you can root for--its ok to accept losing.

I just don't know how anyone who watches Calderon wouldnt want to either dump him--even if that meant Hardaway. I don't even think hardaway is really that good--or maybe just not here where this team is. he s dreadful on D and is severely inconsistent.

I think what you saw was more ballers--meaning guys who have all around play--compared to the one way Hardaway. The only thing play guys like Prigs Calderon and Smith does is guarantee a loss which is ok too.

I completely agree- no only is Tim Jr playing like crap, he seems to have a bad attitude too. At best he's a 20min bench guy who'll sometimes shoot well and sometimes shoot 1 for 9, with nothing in between. And with no defense, no rebounds or assists. I'd like us to move him and Calderon before they diminish their value further by playing more games.

Rudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal

RonRon wrote:I think drafting Tim Hardaway JR was a mistake

Rudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal

Mistake seems a bit strong. Rolando Balkmam, a guy nobody ever heard of was mistake to take. Rondo and Lowry were on the board. Then Knicks take Mardy Collins. Thats is a huge mistake.

I think THjr is just a swing and miss. Most picks around that area.

F500ONE wrote:

RonRon wrote:I think drafting Tim Hardaway JR was a mistake

Rudy Gobert had one of the highest ceilings and filled a need, Plumlee would have been nice but was drafted one pick b4 us and has lottery potential as a great steal

Fans probably endorsed the pick at the time

Probably thought he was going to be good because of who his dad was

I saw question marks but still thought he deserved a fair shot

I'll give THJR another 10gms but doesn't appear he's what we truly need

Definitely not as a starting 2 guard, just a novelty player at this point

I was hoping he would provide a little spark

Disappointing he's not taking full advantage of this opportunity

I'd have no problem trading him in February

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:There's still a chance for THJ to get it together. If he could return any value if traded then I wouldn't be mad at that. He's just not the kind of 2 way player we need to start collecting on this team. It looks like he'll never be a good defender and that's my biggest issue. I think he'll come around offensively.

streaky shooters remain streaky through out their careers.

But here's what i don't like about developing young players on a losing team. They develop a losing mentality, which is what this team has more than anything. They believe they are going to lose no matter the effort, the mental part is the part that needs developing. It's the same thing phil pointed out months ago.

Good numbers on a losing team means nothing, we know this, that's why it's more important to win when developing, because if you don't have the confidence that your efforts will result in a win, your spirit is broken, you lose trust, and you become a selfish player.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:When you have guys you can root for--its ok to accept losing.

I just don't know how anyone who watches Calderon wouldnt want to either dump him--even if that meant Hardaway. I don't even think hardaway is really that good--or maybe just not here where this team is. he s dreadful on D and is severely inconsistent.

I think what you saw was more ballers--meaning guys who have all around play--compared to the one way Hardaway. The only thing play guys like Prigs Calderon and Smith does is guarantee a loss which is ok too.

I completely agree- no only is Tim Jr playing like crap, he seems to have a bad attitude too. At best he's a 20min bench guy who'll sometimes shoot well and sometimes shoot 1 for 9, with nothing in between. And with no defense, no rebounds or assists. I'd like us to move him and Calderon before they diminish their value further by playing more games.

Agreed. Remember when last year THjr was practically deified by us Knicks fans and a lot of people pointed to his pedigree and his pops being an NBA great. I was actually thinking about just how big of a d!ckhead Tim Sr. is in actuality and perhaps the reason why his son seems to have attitude problems is that he was raised by such a douchebag as Tim Hardaway. Cause lets face it we always hated that a-hole and he did nothing to diminish that villain perception with some of the dumb azz public comments he's made over the years.

So yeah, if THjr blossoms and becomes a good player, great. But I harbor serious doubts about his skill and his attitude. I'd trade him
For a 1st rounder in a heartbeat.

H1AND1 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:When you have guys you can root for--its ok to accept losing.

I just don't know how anyone who watches Calderon wouldnt want to either dump him--even if that meant Hardaway. I don't even think hardaway is really that good--or maybe just not here where this team is. he s dreadful on D and is severely inconsistent.

I think what you saw was more ballers--meaning guys who have all around play--compared to the one way Hardaway. The only thing play guys like Prigs Calderon and Smith does is guarantee a loss which is ok too.

I completely agree- no only is Tim Jr playing like crap, he seems to have a bad attitude too. At best he's a 20min bench guy who'll sometimes shoot well and sometimes shoot 1 for 9, with nothing in between. And with no defense, no rebounds or assists. I'd like us to move him and Calderon before they diminish their value further by playing more games.

Agreed. Remember when last year THjr was practically deified by us Knicks fans and a lot of people pointed to his pedigree and his pops being an NBA great. I was actually thinking about just how big of a d!ckhead Tim Sr. is in actuality and perhaps the reason why his son seems to have attitude problems is that he was raised by such a douchebag as Tim Hardaway. Cause lets face it we always hated that a-hole and he did nothing to diminish that villain perception with some of the dumb azz public comments he's made over the years.

So yeah, if THjr blossoms and becomes a good player, great. But I harbor serious doubts about his skill and his attitude. I'd trade him
For a 1st rounder in a heartbeat.

Ha, I hated his dad soooooooooo much! He was a grade A Arsehole, who loved beating us (as much as I loved watching us beat him and his Heat team). The annoying think is once we trade Tim Jr, he will likely go off on us every time we play his new team.