Nalod wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:LaMarcus Aldridge would be the 1st call in the summer. Imagine Okafor, Aldridge and Melo frontline. I would then try to get Dragic at PG next. If Dragic says no then get Lin. Hopefully THJr gets better.

Why? No more Lin obsession. The guy can't even start on the Lakers this year. If they went out and acquired him in FA, that would be a colossal failure. They'd be better off getting a 1 way player that can defend the PG position. I really hope they get Knight, but we shall see.

Linanity is gone. He is a good, not great player. is that 5 mil a year? Be a good Triangle trooper and high Harvard IQ culture guy off the bench?

Depends on the price I guess.
We can't have stars at every position or spend on it. Lin has not really had the benefit of being settled. Rockets had massive changes in his tenure and his laker team is a hot mess.
He could be a transition type player being here until we can develop a prototypical guy and Lin goes to the bench.
Phil knows what he wants. Question is can he get it? He won't tell us either!!!

I agree Linsanity is done, but Jeremy Lin (like I said on another thread) is a cheap, discount version of Dragic- not as good, but similar game and will come very cheap this offseason.

CrushAlot wrote:http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2321599-in-one-overdue-trade-phil-jackson-sets-knicks-on-course-correction-long-needed
A lot of good stuff. I didnt know Sam was constantly late for practice, concerns about JR etc.

God thing Phil changed the player's and the culture

The mindfulness for the takover

smackeddog wrote:

Nalod wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:LaMarcus Aldridge would be the 1st call in the summer. Imagine Okafor, Aldridge and Melo frontline. I would then try to get Dragic at PG next. If Dragic says no then get Lin. Hopefully THJr gets better.

Why? No more Lin obsession. The guy can't even start on the Lakers this year. If they went out and acquired him in FA, that would be a colossal failure. They'd be better off getting a 1 way player that can defend the PG position. I really hope they get Knight, but we shall see.

Linanity is gone. He is a good, not great player. is that 5 mil a year? Be a good Triangle trooper and high Harvard IQ culture guy off the bench?

Depends on the price I guess.
We can't have stars at every position or spend on it. Lin has not really had the benefit of being settled. Rockets had massive changes in his tenure and his laker team is a hot mess.
He could be a transition type player being here until we can develop a prototypical guy and Lin goes to the bench.
Phil knows what he wants. Question is can he get it? He won't tell us either!!!

I agree Linsanity is done, but Jeremy Lin (like I said on another thread) is a cheap, discount version of Dragic- not as good, but similar game and will come very cheap this offseason.

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short

I don't think there is anyway Gasol leaves Memphis. He is in a great situation with a great team. He can make more there and I believe he is in a tax free state which means even more take home pay.

Stephen A. Smith is saying Gasol wants out of Memphis. Wants to be in a big market like NY or LA. Which makes no sense since I don't see Gasol as a marketable player

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short

I don't think there is anyway Gasol leaves Memphis. He is in a great situation with a great team. He can make more there and I believe he is in a tax free state which means even more take home pay.

Stephen A. Smith is saying Gasol wants out of Memphis. Wants to be in a big market like NY or LA. Which makes no sense since I don't see Gasol as a marketable player

Its the culture. NY is an international city. Memphis isnt. His quality of life goes up here.

When he was a RFA coming off rookie deal he never hit the market

To go seek offer sheets Memphis game him 5yrs $70mil

His history in Memphis is so overlooked he loves being there

He loves the culture there and it goes back to his college days

And moving there from Barcelona

I think the Bulls angle has something to do with Melo's free agency

There's some saltiness I'm sure but we have no shot

And if we offer him 4yrs and manage to get him to sign it

Knowing he can get 5 from Chicago then it will come off as a favor

They were willing to be a Tax team with Melo, you guys realize this

Then you have to factor team winning pedigree and the competition

Of other teams Offering him the same contract which could happen via S&T

“People say I’m chasing money when that’s not it — yeah, get your mic closer — that’s not it, because I’m going to be in Chicago,’’ Butler said Saturday. “I’m not worried about it. I say that with a smile on my face because I know that for a fact. We’ll resume [negotiations] in July.’’

The new TV deal has players and agents feeling as if the payroll is about to jump quickly. So rather than settle, Butler’s camp decided to weigh the odds and play the market.

“Yeah, [the deadline is] over with, but this is still home, these are still my guys,’’ Butler said. “This is the team I want to be on, this is the city I want to represent. So I’m happy, and I’ll be happy for a long time.’’

The field are their options but we have no shot

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Hahn and and the likes are pushing hard for Gasol.

I rather draft OK4 or Towns and go hard at jimmy butler or Leonard. Hopefully Galloway pans out. Maybe bring back Larkin to back him up(good defensive player). If Galloway sucks get Lin. Trade Calderon and THJ to free up more cap space.

If your two best players are Melo and Gasol surrounded by vet min bums you are not getting to the finals and your window would be very short

I don't think there is anyway Gasol leaves Memphis. He is in a great situation with a great team. He can make more there and I believe he is in a tax free state which means even more take home pay.

Stephen A. Smith is saying Gasol wants out of Memphis. Wants to be in a big market like NY or LA. Which makes no sense since I don't see Gasol as a marketable player

Its the culture. NY is an international city. Memphis isnt. His quality of life goes up here.

When he was a RFA coming off rookie deal he never hit the market

To go seek offer sheets Memphis game him 5yrs $70mil

His history in Memphis is so overlooked he loves being there

He loves the culture there and it goes back to his college days

And moving there from Barcelona

I think the Bulls angle has something to do with Melo's free agency

There's some saltiness I'm sure but we have no shot

And if we offer him 4yrs and manage to get him to sign it

Knowing he can get 5 from Chicago then it will come off as a favor

They were willing to be a Tax team with Melo, you guys realize this

Then you have to factor team winning pedigree and the competition

Of other teams Offering him the same contract which could happen via S&T

“People say I’m chasing money when that’s not it — yeah, get your mic closer — that’s not it, because I’m going to be in Chicago,’’ Butler said Saturday. “I’m not worried about it. I say that with a smile on my face because I know that for a fact. We’ll resume [negotiations] in July.’’

The new TV deal has players and agents feeling as if the payroll is about to jump quickly. So rather than settle, Butler’s camp decided to weigh the odds and play the market.

“Yeah, [the deadline is] over with, but this is still home, these are still my guys,’’ Butler said. “This is the team I want to be on, this is the city I want to represent. So I’m happy, and I’ll be happy for a long time.’’

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:LaMarcus Aldridge would be the 1st call in the summer. Imagine Okafor, Aldridge and Melo frontline. I would then try to get Dragic at PG next. If Dragic says no then get Lin. Hopefully THJr gets better.

Why? No more Lin obsession. The guy can't even start on the Lakers this year. If they went out and acquired him in FA, that would be a colossal failure. They'd be better off getting a 1 way player that can defend the PG position. I really hope they get Knight, but we shall see.

Oh...I still love Lin. I just don't want to get attacked if I say his name first. My heart says Lin first before Dragic but I think Dragic is comparable so I go with him for the sake of peace keeping.

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote:Not Hopefully. Phil is going to be very methodical about this. He's not just collect talent that won't make sense for how he wants the team to function. That's not how he thinks. He's looking for specific roles to be filled. Unlike a lot of GM's he's not just winging it he's got a blueprint for the type of team he wants. Some fans seem to forget this but he's done this before in terms of knowing the parts and what they contributed and how he used them. He didn't have to be a GM to understand those things. He knows the components of a title team and he's going to be working to establish that here.

Phil Jackson has never been a GM before. So no, he has not "done this before"

Head coaches don't negotiate with player's agents do they? Head coaches aren't expected to know talent tiers reaching as far as the high school level are they? Phil Jackson ever have to hammer out a contract as a head coach?

You're logic has someone walking into a bakery looking for a rack of lamb. And you'll scream " But it's both food right!, they are both food related ! "

Howard Beck has history writing for Los Angeles newspapers thus ties to the Lakers and their entire front office. This is a soft fluff piece for Phil Jackson and why not? He's good with the press, and he makes it easier for them to do their jobs. So of course, give a little, get a little in a situation like this. The article glosses over the Chandler trade misfire and glosses over Melo's failures in leadership. Notice also it avoids pissing right on Dolan. It's a basic fluff piece, aimed at trying to change the narrative to ease back on some of the current criticism of what Jackson has done. ( Tanking wasn't in the plans, but that issue is soft pedaled in the article as well) Notice it also avoids the issue of Jackson's age.

I'm glad the Knicks are in a better place today than yesterday, but let's not all start thinking this will catalyze changes that likely won't happen. The Knicks aren't getting Jimmy Butler. Butler and his agent will use the Knicks to make sure he gets the max from the Bulls, but he's not coming to NY. The Knicks aren't getting Marc Gasol. That bounty of "free agents" that Beck is talking about is more fluff, lots of those guys aren't leaving their current teams.

A lot can happen from now until the draft and free agency. Gasol could tear up his knee and blow out his ACL. Okafor could get killed in a car crash. Some other prospect might get nailed in some major sports scandal.

If this Beck article says anything, at least for 60 million, the Knicks got a guy in Jackson who is excellent with the press. He understands how to use them and manipulate them for his own gain ( which ends up usually being a positive for the Knicks here)

TripleThreat wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:The guy can't even start on the Lakers this year. If they went out and acquired him in FA, that would be a colossal failure.

If Melo sat out the year and Lin was on the Knicks RIGHT NOW, you'd see an entirely different team. Would they suddenly be a playoff team?

No. But you'd see far more team oriented play and real leadership on the roster. If the Knicks lost, Lin would step in front of the press and say "Put it on my back, put this on me" like a leader should do. You'd see the ball move and you'd see players around him elevate their play.

You want to ding Lin for playing next to a historical level egomanian rapist ball hog like Kobe Bryant? Bryant even neutralized Steve Nash when Nash was on that team and not hurt.

If Lin was on this years Knicks roster right now, he'd lead it. And while it would still be a lottery bound team, it would a team that fans could be proud to call their own because they'd go to war every night. Magic Johnson said it best, you are going to see guys bleed it out and lay it all out if they truly know that they are going to get the ball if they do the right things, play the right way, be where they are supposed to be.

You guys sat through two tours of duty by Fatty Felton, the Gun Runner and watched what's left of Calderon hobble along the floor, and you want to cry if this team got Lin? Who is far and above anything the Knicks have had at point guard since... since Lin left the first time?

Linsanity wasn't about Lin, it was about the team pulling together, which it could only do with Melo off the floor.

Kobe bringing Lin down. Lol! Guy has 5 rings. Give it up man. He has failed everywhere. He had a good month. Time to let go.