knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Even if we get a Number 1, 2 or 3 pick..we have a coach that (more than likely will end up with 9 wins) what gives anyone faith in a coach that holds the worst record in franchise history and maybe the NBA.
9 wins 2014/15
25 wins 2015/16
33 win 2016/17

Is that when you guys will start to reconsider

Easy. Its not bad coaching its talent. When he fails with some decent players who were picked by the same GM that hired the coach may the reconsidering begin. This is a good year to let Fisher take his lumps.

Oh he's taking lumps, the team is not competing at all, how does a player learn from that, how does he develop if all he knows is losing.

If i show you how to drive, and you wreck every car, do you continue to let me teach you.

Team did compete. 17 of the first 22 losses were by 5 points or less. They lacked the ponies to finish. Now with the towel waived the blowouts commence.

Saying the team never competed is not accurate.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Even if we get a Number 1, 2 or 3 pick..we have a coach that (more than likely will end up with 9 wins) what gives anyone faith in a coach that holds the worst record in franchise history and maybe the NBA.
9 wins 2014/15
25 wins 2015/16
33 win 2016/17

Is that when you guys will start to reconsider

Easy. Its not bad coaching its talent. When he fails with some decent players who were picked by the same GM that hired the coach may the reconsidering begin. This is a good year to let Fisher take his lumps.

Oh he's taking lumps, the team is not competing at all, how does a player learn from that, how does he develop if all he knows is losing.

If i show you how to drive, and you wreck every car, do you continue to let me teach you.

I would say its YOUR fault for teaching me in the car, and if your pissed about me wrecking them you should have sent me to drivers-ed where I can practice in simulation like everyone else. This is Fishers drivers-ed.

Team did compete. 17 of the first 22 losses were by 5 points or less. They lacked the ponies to finish. Now with the towel waived the blowouts commence.

Saying the team never competed is not accurate.

the team competed hard.

the team sucked hard.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Even if we get a Number 1, 2 or 3 pick..we have a coach that (more than likely will end up with 9 wins) what gives anyone faith in a coach that holds the worst record in franchise history and maybe the NBA.
9 wins 2014/15
25 wins 2015/16
33 win 2016/17

Is that when you guys will start to reconsider

Easy. Its not bad coaching its talent. When he fails with some decent players who were picked by the same GM that hired the coach may the reconsidering begin. This is a good year to let Fisher take his lumps.

Oh he's taking lumps, the team is not competing at all, how does a player learn from that, how does he develop if all he knows is losing.

If i show you how to drive, and you wreck every car, do you continue to let me teach you.

I would say its YOUR fault for teaching me in the car, and if your pissed about me wrecking them you should have sent me to drivers-ed where I can practice in simulation like everyone else. This is Fishers drivers-ed.

Team did compete. 17 of the first 22 losses were by 5 points or less. They lacked the ponies to finish. Now with the towel waived the blowouts commence.

Saying the team never competed is not accurate.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Some chance is better than no chance.

yes but as opposed to most posts, lets assume that we are NOT getting him.

Or maybe we can assume that we ARE getting him in only 1 out of every 4 posts.

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Some chance is better than no chance.

yes but as opposed to most posts, lets assume that we are NOT getting him.

Or maybe we can assume that we ARE getting him in only 1 out of every 4 posts.

FWIW, Okafor doesn't come out looking that good in this metrics system. I don't have the book and don't need the details of the formula being used but the system appears to have done pretty well historically.
http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2014/12/11/midseason-college-prospect-rating-cpr-for-2015-draft-class/
This was earlier in the season and based on a small amount of games, also.

Yeah I wouldn't worry too much about the early performance. Okafor seems to be improving and i'm sure he'll look much better as the season moves along and also he's very young still with lots of upside.

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Even if we get a Number 1, 2 or 3 pick..we have a coach that (more than likely will end up with 9 wins) what gives anyone faith in a coach that holds the worst record in franchise history and maybe the NBA.
9 wins 2014/15
25 wins 2015/16
33 win 2016/17

Is that when you guys will start to reconsider

Easy. Its not bad coaching its talent. When he fails with some decent players who were picked by the same GM that hired the coach may the reconsidering begin. This is a good year to let Fisher take his lumps.

Oh he's taking lumps, the team is not competing at all, how does a player learn from that, how does he develop if all he knows is losing.

If i show you how to drive, and you wreck every car, do you continue to let me teach you.

I would say its YOUR fault for teaching me in the car, and if your pissed about me wrecking them you should have sent me to drivers-ed where I can practice in simulation like everyone else. This is Fishers drivers-ed.

Team did compete. 17 of the first 22 losses were by 5 points or less. They lacked the ponies to finish. Now with the towel waived the blowouts commence.

Saying the team never competed is not accurate.

the team competed hard.

the team sucked hard.

The team competed hard, don't make me laugh..you leave veteran savvy priggs on the bench and put a rookie in to close games in the clutch, and watch him turn the ball over every chance he had the ball.

changing your starting line up in the 2nd half of games.

mark jackson got fired for winning 50 games and people were piss, kerr comes in with damn near the same exact rotation, and they are the 2nd best team in the league.

Look, if you guys think fisher has nothing to do with our record, you really are living in La la land.

But i'll tell you this, as long as he's the coach, i don't care if the starting line up is, kobe, MJ. magic, bird and shaq, we will be a bad team for yrs to come

The Problem is that you have nothing with which to base that opinion. You can't use this season as any indication. I will say this. Unlike most styles of play the Triangle is less dependent on the Coach on the bench as much as it's about the coach on the Practice Floor. Phil barely ever did much most of the time on the bench. This is about teaching your players how to get it done themselves. He's not out there calling plays every time down. It's a read and react offense. You have to have players that can actually get it done and with this roster we don't have enough players that can.

Phil, Fish, Rambis and Cleamons are doing things almost exactly the way Phil has always done them. It's the players!!!

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Even if we get a Number 1, 2 or 3 pick..we have a coach that (more than likely will end up with 9 wins) what gives anyone faith in a coach that holds the worst record in franchise history and maybe the NBA.
9 wins 2014/15
25 wins 2015/16
33 win 2016/17

Is that when you guys will start to reconsider

Easy. Its not bad coaching its talent. When he fails with some decent players who were picked by the same GM that hired the coach may the reconsidering begin. This is a good year to let Fisher take his lumps.

Oh he's taking lumps, the team is not competing at all, how does a player learn from that, how does he develop if all he knows is losing.

If i show you how to drive, and you wreck every car, do you continue to let me teach you.

You are talking out of your ass!!! You must not even watch games anymore cuz players haven't stopped competing. They just aren't good enough to win, but the players are giving effort and being developed. I really think you need to relax on this one cuz it's not worth the effort. Fish is going to get his chance to coach this team after it's been rebuilt.

when you have the worst defense in the league and many players not running the offense but going into "i'm gonna get me mine" mode then the team is not only bad but also not competing. now explain to me how coming from behind and eventually falling short by 5 points or less is "competing?"

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:Some chance is better than no chance.

yes but as opposed to most posts, lets assume that we are NOT getting him.

Or maybe we can assume that we ARE getting him in only 1 out of every 4 posts.

FWIW, Okafor doesn't come out looking that good in this metrics system. I don't have the book and don't need the details of the formula being used but the system appears to have done pretty well historically.
http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2014/12/11/midseason-college-prospect-rating-cpr-for-2015-draft-class/
This was earlier in the season and based on a small amount of games, also.

i have only seen highlight clips of him in another thread. none of those were defensive highlights. that should give pause. he also looks shorter than his listed height.

he looks like a good college player, dominating inferior defenders although his footwork is so-so. i do like his array of fakes and his use of glass. we could be looking at a tweener a la beasley. power forward in college but had to move a position smaller in the nba with disastrous results.

if the knicks defy the karmic odds and end up with okafor then that's fine... but i don't see him elevating the franchise to contending status, not close....

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Even if we get a Number 1, 2 or 3 pick..we have a coach that (more than likely will end up with 9 wins) what gives anyone faith in a coach that holds the worst record in franchise history and maybe the NBA.
9 wins 2014/15
25 wins 2015/16
33 win 2016/17

Is that when you guys will start to reconsider

Easy. Its not bad coaching its talent. When he fails with some decent players who were picked by the same GM that hired the coach may the reconsidering begin. This is a good year to let Fisher take his lumps.

Oh he's taking lumps, the team is not competing at all, how does a player learn from that, how does he develop if all he knows is losing.

If i show you how to drive, and you wreck every car, do you continue to let me teach you.

I would say its YOUR fault for teaching me in the car, and if your pissed about me wrecking them you should have sent me to drivers-ed where I can practice in simulation like everyone else. This is Fishers drivers-ed.

Team did compete. 17 of the first 22 losses were by 5 points or less. They lacked the ponies to finish. Now with the towel waived the blowouts commence.

Saying the team never competed is not accurate.

they didn't compete. they are the worst defense in the league. you don't get to that level if you are competing. several players have blatantly gone rogue and into "i gotta get mine" mode. that too is not competing.

you are profoundly wrong. it's unclear whether you understand the nature of teamwork and competition.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Even if we get a Number 1, 2 or 3 pick..we have a coach that (more than likely will end up with 9 wins) what gives anyone faith in a coach that holds the worst record in franchise history and maybe the NBA.
9 wins 2014/15
25 wins 2015/16
33 win 2016/17

Is that when you guys will start to reconsider

Easy. Its not bad coaching its talent. When he fails with some decent players who were picked by the same GM that hired the coach may the reconsidering begin. This is a good year to let Fisher take his lumps.

Oh he's taking lumps, the team is not competing at all, how does a player learn from that, how does he develop if all he knows is losing.

If i show you how to drive, and you wreck every car, do you continue to let me teach you.

You are talking out of your ass!!! You must not even watch games anymore cuz players haven't stopped competing. They just aren't good enough to win, but the players are giving effort and being developed. I really think you need to relax on this one cuz it's not worth the effort. Fish is going to get his chance to coach this team after it's been rebuilt.

when you have the worst defense in the league and many players not running the offense but going into "i'm gonna get me mine" mode then the team is not only bad but also not competing. now explain to me how coming from behind and eventually falling short by 5 points or less is "competing?"

Just wondering who is in the 'I'm gonna get me mine' mode. Was it Acy last night? Cole, Shane or Pablo? Not seeing that at all. Just no talent right now. Bargs and Amare are probably done. Melo is probably shut down unless he keeps playing until the all star game. Not seeing this with this group.

And you go posting that your not sure I understand basketball or athletic competition. Man your a gem. I hope you never take your ball and go like splat. Please keep posting. Awesome.