Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This flush out is all Dolan. This is 15 years of his "input". Dolan hired Phil Jackson who has zero GM experience for more money than the 3 best GMs make combined. Did anyone read that Kyle Lowry piece just put out? Lowry was traded to the Knicks---whether it was Dolan or Phil behind the scenes--they negated a trade for the best player we have any chance at getting unless we get pick 1 for the next 18 months at a minimum. It could get WORSE here it could get real bad. We DO NOT have a pick next year and there is a possibility of the "bust" scenario where we don't do well in the draft and get somewhat shut out in FA. I'm sure there will be a panic mode where we do offer a player a max just to placate the fans--to get something new in here and trade the pick for any exsisting proven player(even if its eats massive cap) If we do the franchise is likely done for 5-7 years. Because the Knicks and their ownership have not put a standard of "restrictive picks" we left ourselves open to disaster--this year its all PURE luck (my God how is this pick not somehow not swapped to a team who has the rights to flip) a device the Knicks concocted to circumvent the two year draft rule(I think it was isiah Thomas) The Knicks are basically a crooked scam organization with Dolan running things the only way he will do it by his last words. So the consumer is fcked by this the fan is fkced by this--and that is that.

Welcome! You have been assimilated into the Borg.

hell is freezing over. fishmike and jrod have headed for the hills. 5-30 is apparently a critical mass point.

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This flush out is all Dolan. This is 15 years of his "input". Dolan hired Phil Jackson who has zero GM experience for more money than the 3 best GMs make combined. Did anyone read that Kyle Lowry piece just put out? Lowry was traded to the Knicks---whether it was Dolan or Phil behind the scenes--they negated a trade for the best player we have any chance at getting unless we get pick 1 for the next 18 months at a minimum. It could get WORSE here it could get real bad. We DO NOT have a pick next year and there is a possibility of the "bust" scenario where we don't do well in the draft and get somewhat shut out in FA. I'm sure there will be a panic mode where we do offer a player a max just to placate the fans--to get something new in here and trade the pick for any exsisting proven player(even if its eats massive cap) If we do the franchise is likely done for 5-7 years. Because the Knicks and their ownership have not put a standard of "restrictive picks" we left ourselves open to disaster--this year its all PURE luck (my God how is this pick not somehow not swapped to a team who has the rights to flip) a device the Knicks concocted to circumvent the two year draft rule(I think it was isiah Thomas) The Knicks are basically a crooked scam organization with Dolan running things the only way he will do it by his last words. So the consumer is fcked by this the fan is fkced by this--and that is that.

Welcome! You have been assimilated into the Borg.

hell is freezing over. fishmike and jrod have headed for the hills. 5-30 is apparently a critical mass point.

They are huddled in a Klondike hut making soup from Melo jerseys ala Chaplin.

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm worried that while other teams are using the best advanced metrics, Phil is just using his intuition and eyeball test because that's what everyone did many years ago when he was winning rings.

That is certainly a concern. You hope Mills is helping him in that area but who knows. That really not something to get excited about.

All we have to go on is the resigning of Melo which analytically is on par with paying a Rudy Gay & Josh Smith $124mil.

Then they brought in Calderon who has good advanced stats offensively but alwful advance stats defensively.

So yea they are probably using the ol handy eyeball test only which means we are screwed

Phil said when he took over that he wanted to expand the metrics department. We have a pretty good one, thats similar to Houstons in many ways- we target the same guys, Lin, Novak, Papanikolaou. We find diamonds in the rough (Copeland etc) at a pretty good rate- we always fall flat when it comes to paying out the big bucks on free agents, and we never have cap space or top picks. Metrics aren't magic- they're just a tool. Even Morey wanted to sign Josh Smith a few years ago and Melo this offseason.

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm worried that while other teams are using the best advanced metrics, Phil is just using his intuition and eyeball test because that's what everyone did many years ago when he was winning rings.

That is certainly a concern. You hope Mills is helping him in that area but who knows. That really not something to get excited about.

All we have to go on is the resigning of Melo which analytically is on par with paying a Rudy Gay & Josh Smith $124mil.

Then they brought in Calderon who has good advanced stats offensively but alwful advance stats defensively.

So yea they are probably using the ol handy eyeball test only which means we are screwed

Phil said when he took over that he wanted to expand the metrics department. We have a pretty good one, thats similar to Houstons in many ways- we target the same guys, Lin, Novak, Papanikolaou. We find diamonds in the rough (Copeland etc) at a pretty good rate- we always fall flat when it comes to paying out the big bucks on free agents, and we never have cap space or top picks. Metrics aren't magic- they're just a tool. Even Morey wanted to sign Josh Smith a few years ago and Melo this offseason.

but he didn't

dk7th wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm worried that while other teams are using the best advanced metrics, Phil is just using his intuition and eyeball test because that's what everyone did many years ago when he was winning rings.

That is certainly a concern. You hope Mills is helping him in that area but who knows. That really not something to get excited about.

All we have to go on is the resigning of Melo which analytically is on par with paying a Rudy Gay & Josh Smith $124mil.

Then they brought in Calderon who has good advanced stats offensively but alwful advance stats defensively.

So yea they are probably using the ol handy eyeball test only which means we are screwed

Phil said when he took over that he wanted to expand the metrics department. We have a pretty good one, thats similar to Houstons in many ways- we target the same guys, Lin, Novak, Papanikolaou. We find diamonds in the rough (Copeland etc) at a pretty good rate- we always fall flat when it comes to paying out the big bucks on free agents, and we never have cap space or top picks. Metrics aren't magic- they're just a tool. Even Morey wanted to sign Josh Smith a few years ago and Melo this offseason.

but he didn't

signing Melo as a third star is not an anti metrics move.

Melo is so f'n digital!

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This flush out is all Dolan. This is 15 years of his "input". Dolan hired Phil Jackson who has zero GM experience for more money than the 3 best GMs make combined. Did anyone read that Kyle Lowry piece just put out? Lowry was traded to the Knicks---whether it was Dolan or Phil behind the scenes--they negated a trade for the best player we have any chance at getting unless we get pick 1 for the next 18 months at a minimum. It could get WORSE here it could get real bad. We DO NOT have a pick next year and there is a possibility of the "bust" scenario where we don't do well in the draft and get somewhat shut out in FA. I'm sure there will be a panic mode where we do offer a player a max just to placate the fans--to get something new in here and trade the pick for any exsisting proven player(even if its eats massive cap) If we do the franchise is likely done for 5-7 years. Because the Knicks and their ownership have not put a standard of "restrictive picks" we left ourselves open to disaster--this year its all PURE luck (my God how is this pick not somehow not swapped to a team who has the rights to flip) a device the Knicks concocted to circumvent the two year draft rule(I think it was isiah Thomas) The Knicks are basically a crooked scam organization with Dolan running things the only way he will do it by his last words. So the consumer is fcked by this the fan is fkced by this--and that is that.

Welcome! You have been assimilated into the Borg.

hell is freezing over. fishmike and jrod have headed for the hills. 5-30 is apparently a critical mass point.

Long overdo.
Knicks organization is a massive train-wreck for already 15 years and it took 5-30 records for some to finally notice.
Phil-no-Phil there is no magic in the world to resurrect the dead in 5 years or 10 years.
This team should be killed ans rebuild from scratch. It is not ever D-league material Melo included.
Phil started right on point to start getting to the clean slate.
If this will continue with shelving Melo and releasing and stretch-provisioning all we have we are on the right path.
Then we need to draft and develop for 3-5 years and FA will come along as team will show future promise but not earlier than 3 years from now.
If Phil has a plan for this team to contend it is no earlier than in 4-5 years. and this will be his final legacy in NY.
He is not stupid to think he can do any better.

gunsnewing wrote:hahahahahaha

Melo is so f'n digital!

$124M worth of virtual splendor

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This flush out is all Dolan. This is 15 years of his "input". Dolan hired Phil Jackson who has zero GM experience for more money than the 3 best GMs make combined. Did anyone read that Kyle Lowry piece just put out? Lowry was traded to the Knicks---whether it was Dolan or Phil behind the scenes--they negated a trade for the best player we have any chance at getting unless we get pick 1 for the next 18 months at a minimum. It could get WORSE here it could get real bad. We DO NOT have a pick next year and there is a possibility of the "bust" scenario where we don't do well in the draft and get somewhat shut out in FA. I'm sure there will be a panic mode where we do offer a player a max just to placate the fans--to get something new in here and trade the pick for any exsisting proven player(even if its eats massive cap) If we do the franchise is likely done for 5-7 years. Because the Knicks and their ownership have not put a standard of "restrictive picks" we left ourselves open to disaster--this year its all PURE luck (my God how is this pick not somehow not swapped to a team who has the rights to flip) a device the Knicks concocted to circumvent the two year draft rule(I think it was isiah Thomas) The Knicks are basically a crooked scam organization with Dolan running things the only way he will do it by his last words. So the consumer is fcked by this the fan is fkced by this--and that is that.

Welcome! You have been assimilated into the Borg.

hell is freezing over. fishmike and jrod have headed for the hills. 5-30 is apparently a critical mass point.

They are huddled in a Klondike hut making soup from Melo jerseys ala Chaplin.

and the hats!!!! the hat bands make for a great papardelle pasta.

You Rang!

Isaac Love Boat Melo[GrantLand referred to him as Gilligan...lol]

I had no idea Grantland and USA Today already did this in July and December

But clever minds think alike

Boy do they have some hilarious ones themselves

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/look-at-all-these-photos-of-carmelo-anthony-wearing-hats/

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/12/the-8-most-ridiculous-hats-carmelo-anthony-has-ever-worn

What A Complete Joke Paraody Of Himself

wow this is just fantastic material. like arkrud says: big circuses need big clowns. nice to see there are haters out there in syndication.

nixluva wrote:IMO it doesn't matter how fast Phil can put a contender together. Phil has to make sure that he finds the type of core talent that can be built upon. It doesn't take a rocket scientist or some metrics guy to figure out who the top talents are. Initially Phil has to improve the top talent on the team. IMO this is what Phil has to focus on this summer. After you have your very rare top talent then the metrics stuff has more real value. You don't need metrics to figure out that Tim Duncan is a franchise talent. It's the role players you look to find after that where you need as much insight as possible to find the right players. I feel that Phil will use every means necessary to find the best fits for this team. Just going by his past interest in wisdom and new ways of looking at things, it seems to me that Phil would have high interest in Metrics and anything else that can give him an edge.

The contrarian side of thinks a man with different thinking might succeed instead of following a similar matrix. If this is the case in NY, then its a risk. To follow the media's short sighted anger technique and supplant it as an original thought makes some of you look really bandwagon jumpers who are piling on the 5-30 hate feast.

I have no basis but faith in Phil. Zen philosophy when applied to business is actually a very effective tool. it takes out wishful thinking and the emotional baggage of what has already transpired.

Really, if there is a change in policy and cultural change then it really does not matter what has transpired previously. If Dolan is truly out of the decision process then one can say this will effect the future.

Winning now is not possible. Tickets might be sold and if one was gullible, its to think Phil would have effected great change right away. True there is a starphuch aspect to his hiring. This sells tickets.

Was there another way? Always. IN the face of a failure the logical conclusion is "well anything would have been better than 5-30!"

Effective cultural change? 35 games to conclude this? It takes years. No patience in the Mecca.