It's obvious the Knicks aren't going to make any blockbuster deals. Phil isn't trying to trade expiring contacts for garbage.

The Knicks still have a bright future beyond this season. Also melo is aware of his numbers so no way will be waste a season to rest when he can pad stats to pass legends later on in his career on the scoring list, etc.

yeah so **** Aldridge and whatever he had to say.

F500ONE wrote:

knickscity wrote:If the Knicks are suggesting to Melo to shut down for the season, then they should offer refunds to any season ticket holders.

That would fair at the minimum.

Not to disrespect the guy who took his family

To the Pistons game but why are people in New York

Paying these astronomical prices to support Dolan's enterprise

In this rough economy, these same people will cry about how bad

Obama has ran the country yet you take your family to

Go see the worst team in the league play the 7th worst team in the league

And spend a whopping $600.00, Why why why why

If my mom gave birth to me inside of MSG and I was raised there

As for me going to a game today

Seriously?

BTW, most fans here can actually see the record and come to a pretty good assumption as to whats going on.
We look at the roster and see it sucks.
We can see that the NBA's worst team has an all star on it. Obviously he is not good enough to carry the team or the rest of the players are not good enough to carry him.
We see that Phil's trade did not make us better for this season. He needed caldron because his other guards suck. Jose is not playing well for many reasons. Some of it him, some of it the team.
Its not that finding "Blame" is the problem.
F500 points to things that fans see as obvious.
Some fans see this a a process to rebuild. Others see it as ruin.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:A lot of that is self-deception on the fans' part then. It was clear before the season started based on the models that this would be at best a .400s team.

I dont think anyone from the media or any metric or even fans thought it would be this bad. Those folks who bought their tickets in advance are absolutely getting robbed.

Is it really getting robbed if we are simply a worse lottery team than expected? It's more like a 10 inch snow storm when only 4 inches was predicted. You still can't say you expected it to be a warm sunny day at the beach.

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:A lot of that is self-deception on the fans' part then. It was clear before the season started based on the models that this would be at best a .400s team.

I dont think anyone from the media or any metric or even fans thought it would be this bad. Those folks who bought their tickets in advance are absolutely getting robbed.

Is it really getting robbed if we are simply a worse lottery team than expected? It's more like a 10 inch snow storm when only 4 inches was predicted. You still can't say you expected it to be a warm sunny day at the beach.

you may wanna read my original quote. It isnt just based on the season record, it's primarily based on the team shutting Melo down.

OK, that's fair enough. Still, if a guy is spending $600 to watch Melo play, I think he needs a fully psychiatric examination.

it's like going to a concert for a group thats on tour only to find out the main singer wont be there for a large chunk of the tour.

Looking for blame and getting angry makes for ratings.

Ignorance breeds fear. Fear breeds anger.
IF we make choices or opinions based on anger, we do it without clarity. Somehow if melo was gone our problems would be. But we don't have any replacement other than concept. This goes on and on as the shortsighted angry dudes, like F500 think they have the better solutions based on hindsight.

Makes for good media. Not good for running a team.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Splat wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:a main singer that wasn't really worth seeing anyway. I do agree with you that people purchasing the tickets will be disappointed that they aren't getting what they expected. When unrealistic expectations go unmet, of course disappointment will follow. Maybe they should view this as a learning experience so that they spend their money better in the future.

You're entitled but that's your opinion and not a popular one, otherwise melo wouldnt have as many all-star appearances as he does. People do want to see the guy play. They arent paying those tickets to watch Shumpert.

That may not be the case for very long. If he is even tradeable (possibly not), this dilution of his "brand" (barf) will motivate Melo to agree to be traded.

Him being traded doesnt change how folks view him. Do you think two straight losing season is affecting his all-star votes to the point he wouldnt get voted in? Nope.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I don't think we're disagreeing on anything. You're just showing a lot of empathy for people who were deceived by Melo's high PPG totals, while I'm hoping front office (and ideally a significant portion of the consumers that support the front office) learn from their mistakes.

They're not being deceived though, he actually does put up the points. he's an all-star that folks do like to come out to see. No deceit there at all.

Now if melo had season ending surgery? Understandable. Just sitting out since he knows his impact is zero? Thats not right.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I don't think we're disagreeing on anything. You're just showing a lot of empathy for people who were deceived by Melo's high PPG totals, while I'm hoping front office (and ideally a significant portion of the consumers that support the front office) learn from their mistakes.

It maybe about the stars not playing. Melo, Amare, hardaway,Shump, and Sam were all out. But it also was a really bad game against a really bad team. JR getting hot at the end made the score closer but I can't imagine paying to see that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I don't think we're disagreeing on anything. You're just showing a lot of empathy for people who were deceived by Melo's high PPG totals, while I'm hoping front office (and ideally a significant portion of the consumers that support the front office) learn from their mistakes.

It maybe about the stars not playing. Melo, Amare, hardaway,Shump, and Sam were all out. But it also was a really bad game against a really bad team. JR getting hot at the end made the score closer but I can't imagine paying to see that.

Are you talking about one specific game? I was referring to the whole season and actually entire era since we acquired Melo.

Yeah. I posted in the wrong thread.