StarksEwing1 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im disappointed in his shooting. He is better going to the hoop but his shooting has Been god awful and his defense isnt good enough to warrant bad shooting nights like he has had

Dude is learning and he get great opportunity to do so.
On no other team Tim will have so much playing time.
Coaches will know pretty well if he can be used and in which role by the end of the season.
Just drop your expectation and you will see it is all well with him.

im a fan Of the kid but i expected a little more but he is only 22

As I said in another thread - drop your expectations...

arkrud wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im disappointed in his shooting. He is better going to the hoop but his shooting has Been god awful and his defense isnt good enough to warrant bad shooting nights like he has had

Dude is learning and he get great opportunity to do so.
On no other team Tim will have so much playing time.
Coaches will know pretty well if he can be used and in which role by the end of the season.
Just drop your expectation and you will see it is all well with him.

im a fan Of the kid but i expected a little more but he is only 22

As I said in another thread - drop your expectations...

StarksEwing1 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

arkrud wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Im disappointed in his shooting. He is better going to the hoop but his shooting has Been god awful and his defense isnt good enough to warrant bad shooting nights like he has had

Dude is learning and he get great opportunity to do so.
On no other team Tim will have so much playing time.
Coaches will know pretty well if he can be used and in which role by the end of the season.
Just drop your expectation and you will see it is all well with him.

im a fan Of the kid but i expected a little more but he is only 22

As I said in another thread - drop your expectations...

as i said i didnt expect him to be a all star just a litttle more consistent

Consistency comes with maturation.
Every young gunner wants to be a star. Cannot prevent this.
But at some point they realized what they really are.
Then they became NBA players.

TPercy wrote:THJR every game develops more and more of JR Smith. He chucks up the dumbest shots its unbelievable sometimes, I just don't see him developing right in NY if he is going to continue like this and NOBODY is going to correct it. Last game he made some stupid pull up 3s after Wesley Mathews made a 3. It wasn't just last game, its been a majority of the season. Honestly don't know what to do with this kid.

+1 - I find the fact that he didn't improve on any aspect of his game in the off-season unbelievable. I'll blame part of it on the environment, but a lot of it lies with the individual. It doesn't seem like he is willing to put in the required effort to improve, which is really disappointing.

Knicks1969 wrote:Second year players always struggle. Give him a pass for now, but coaching needs to improve.

Agreed, but some responsibility has to lie with him. He has been given plenty of minutes and refused to improve on any aspects of his game. Not putting in the effort to improve is a personal choice by the player.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Second year players always struggle. Give him a pass for now, but coaching needs to improve.

Agreed, but some responsibility has to lie with him. He has been given plenty of minutes and refused to improve on any aspects of his game. Not putting in the effort to improve is a personal choice by the player.

Early on the minutes were erratic. He is now getting minutes due to injuries and Fisher has no choice but to play him. Is he being coached? It is hard to tell. I see no one From our coaching staff approaching the players to point out what they are doing wrong. In fact,the more I listen to the coaching staff speak, the less impress I am with their knowledge of the game. We get killed from beyond the arc every game,due to our poor In game adjustments. You can't blame that On Players, that is coaching. Even Clyde and Breem were criticizing the staff about that. Mathews and company were always wide open from beyond the arc. Why was that?

Admit it folks, our coaching staff has never won much of anything as individual coaches. So they don't have a clue.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Second year players always struggle. Give him a pass for now, but coaching needs to improve.

Agreed, but some responsibility has to lie with him. He has been given plenty of minutes and refused to improve on any aspects of his game. Not putting in the effort to improve is a personal choice by the player.

Early on the minutes were erratic. He is now getting minutes due to injuries and Fisher has no choice but to play him. Is he being coached? It is hard to tell. I see no one I. Our coaching staff approaching the players to point out what they are doing wrong. In fact,the more I listen to the coaching staff speak, the less impress I am with their knowledge of the game. We get killed from beyond the arc every game,due to our poor In game adjustments. You can't blame that On Players, that is coaching. Even Clyde and Breem were criticizing the staff about that. Mathews and company were always wide open from beyond the arc. Why was that?

Admit fit folks, our coaching staff have never won much of anything as individual coaches. So they do t have a clue

Not saying the staff hasn't done a bad job, but at some point players need to be accountable for themselves. They are grown men. The leagues try to operate as a "professional environment." Just bc your boss isn't performing well doesn't get you off the hook. He needs to be accountable as well. I haven't given up on him, but you have to admit the fact that he didn't seem to address any flaws at all is not a good thing.

He is a second year player who is playing for a second coaching staff man. Typically, they pick it up in their third year. The onus is on him to put in the work by researching what he does well and not so well, but I expect him to get better in his third year. He is now making a concerted effort to attack the basket; and he is now rebounding a little and passing the ball to the open man. He just needs to restrain himself from shooting the 3 ball so much.

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Second year players always struggle. Give him a pass for now, but coaching needs to improve.

Agreed, but some responsibility has to lie with him. He has been given plenty of minutes and refused to improve on any aspects of his game. Not putting in the effort to improve is a personal choice by the player.

Early on the minutes were erratic. He is now getting minutes due to injuries and Fisher has no choice but to play him. Is he being coached? It is hard to tell. I see no one I. Our coaching staff approaching the players to point out what they are doing wrong. In fact,the more I listen to the coaching staff speak, the less impress I am with their knowledge of the game. We get killed from beyond the arc every game,due to our poor In game adjustments. You can't blame that On Players, that is coaching. Even Clyde and Breem were criticizing the staff about that. Mathews and company were always wide open from beyond the arc. Why was that?

Admit fit folks, our coaching staff have never won much of anything as individual coaches. So they do t have a clue

Not saying the staff hasn't done a bad job, but at some point players need to be accountable for themselves. They are grown men. The leagues try to operate as a "professional environment." Just bc your boss isn't performing well doesn't get you off the hook. He needs to be accountable as well. I haven't given up on him, but you have to admit the fact that he didn't seem to address any flaws at all is not a good thing.

He is a second year player man. Typically, they pick it up in their third year

really?

like who?

Butler, Mathews, Klay Thompson,etc

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Second year players always struggle. Give him a pass for now, but coaching needs to improve.

Agreed, but some responsibility has to lie with him. He has been given plenty of minutes and refused to improve on any aspects of his game. Not putting in the effort to improve is a personal choice by the player.

Early on the minutes were erratic. He is now getting minutes due to injuries and Fisher has no choice but to play him. Is he being coached? It is hard to tell. I see no one I. Our coaching staff approaching the players to point out what they are doing wrong. In fact,the more I listen to the coaching staff speak, the less impress I am with their knowledge of the game. We get killed from beyond the arc every game,due to our poor In game adjustments. You can't blame that On Players, that is coaching. Even Clyde and Breem were criticizing the staff about that. Mathews and company were always wide open from beyond the arc. Why was that?

Admit fit folks, our coaching staff have never won much of anything as individual coaches. So they do t have a clue

Not saying the staff hasn't done a bad job, but at some point players need to be accountable for themselves. They are grown men. The leagues try to operate as a "professional environment." Just bc your boss isn't performing well doesn't get you off the hook. He needs to be accountable as well. I haven't given up on him, but you have to admit the fact that he didn't seem to address any flaws at all is not a good thing.

He is a second year player man. Typically, they pick it up in their third year

really?

like who?

Butler, Mathews, Klay Thompson,etc

Really? In what way?

knicks1248 wrote:

Splat wrote:

nixluva wrote:You know what will make Fisher a better coach? A better freakin team. How good do you think Fisher would look if he was in Golden State? He may not have been as good as Kerr but I doubt he'd look that much worse. When you have real talent like that it's not that hard to look good. Just don't get in the way and give them a good plan to work with. Things would look a lot different if you had a Wesley Matthews at SG, a Larmarcus Aldridge, a Damian Lillard and a quality group of players throughout the roster.

THJ isn't really a problem for us since we aren't locked into big money with him. He's a non issue roster wise. If he comes back and has a good year next year GREAT. If not no sweat. He's only a $1 Mil Player. That's nothing. Not really concerned about THJ at all.

You're right about this. Fish is the least of the problems at this point. This team would still suck with an experienced coach. It is just better then that we have an inexperienced coach this season and shoot for a high pick. A better coach right now would not help the big picture this season.

It will matter after this season though, so Fish will have to learn to coach. If he can't hack it next season, he probably won't make it to the end of two seasons.

we would be much better with an experience coach, these players look retarded out there, and I have seen all them play much better prior to being a knick, so how is that not the coach and the system..next year wont be no different other than the players..

will take 5 months to figure out a rotation( 9 new 1 contract yr players cause were saving cap space again, for 2016) and roles..stop making excuses for the coach

He's not making excuses for Fisher. Reality is the roster is terrible. The best coach couldn't overcome the fact that we have 1 legitimate starting player on the roster.

Knicks1969 wrote:THJ is like Danny Green during his first three years. Pop found a way to change his style of play. That is what GREAT coaching does. It helps players to get better.

so great coaching should be able to make any bad player good?

so far THJ is a dud and if he was drafted now, he would not be a first rounder.