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EnySpree
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12/30/2014  4:40 PM
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TPercy wrote:No no no!
I am sick and tired of trading picks, do you know where all the current NBA all stars where orginally acquired? THROUGH DRAFT PICKS. We've tried trading picksin the past and how has that served us? Not well at all. There is absolutely no incentive of trading away picks as we are ALWAYS on the losing end of them.

If you were in a car accident, does that mean you should stop riding in cars altogether? Yeah, the Knicks have made historically bad trades involving their picks but that doesn't mean we can't make good trades involving them in the future. I'm not advocating that we move the pick but when you're as bad as we are, everything should be on the table.

I just want to say 95% of all nba players were picked up in the draft. Secondly the player I mentioned is arguably the best center in the league in Demarcus cousins....I think I need to start charging for hot water and heat

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12/30/2014  4:51 PM
EnySpree wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
TPercy wrote:No no no!
I am sick and tired of trading picks, do you know where all the current NBA all stars where orginally acquired? THROUGH DRAFT PICKS. We've tried trading picksin the past and how has that served us? Not well at all. There is absolutely no incentive of trading away picks as we are ALWAYS on the losing end of them.

If you were in a car accident, does that mean you should stop riding in cars altogether? Yeah, the Knicks have made historically bad trades involving their picks but that doesn't mean we can't make good trades involving them in the future. I'm not advocating that we move the pick but when you're as bad as we are, everything should be on the table.

I just want to say 95% of all nba players were picked up in the draft. Secondly the player I mentioned is arguably the best center in the league in Demarcus cousins....I think I need to start charging for hot water and heat

I wasn't disagreeing with any of that so what is your point?

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12/30/2014  5:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2014  5:04 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Knixkik wrote:We can probably look into a big trade during the draft. Cousins would be an ideal target but I'm sure there will be others. I don't mind trading the pick as long as it's for someone on the younger side who has been durable during his career.

Come on why would the Kings ever trade Cousins. Also we NEED cost restricted players some of you guys just dont get it--we need players who play above their contracts especially with Melo making 25mm.

With Vivek Randieve at the helm, anything is possible. Reports have come out suggesting that he wants to play at a faster tempo. If that's the case, what role does DeMarcus really have left there? If an Emmanuel Mudiay is available at our pick, I could see them "changing directions" by moving Cousins for Emmanuel and assets.

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12/30/2014  5:06 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/30/2014  5:06 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
TPercy wrote:No no no!
I am sick and tired of trading picks, do you know where all the current NBA all stars where orginally acquired? THROUGH DRAFT PICKS. We've tried trading picksin the past and how has that served us? Not well at all. There is absolutely no incentive of trading away picks as we are ALWAYS on the losing end of them.

If you were in a car accident, does that mean you should stop riding in cars altogether? Yeah, the Knicks have made historically bad trades involving their picks but that doesn't mean we can't make good trades involving them in the future. I'm not advocating that we move the pick but when you're as bad as we are, everything should be on the table.

If you have bean in 10 car accidents killing many people I think you should be banned from driving.

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12/30/2014  5:31 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
TPercy wrote:No no no!
I am sick and tired of trading picks, do you know where all the current NBA all stars where orginally acquired? THROUGH DRAFT PICKS. We've tried trading picksin the past and how has that served us? Not well at all. There is absolutely no incentive of trading away picks as we are ALWAYS on the losing end of them.

If you were in a car accident, does that mean you should stop riding in cars altogether? Yeah, the Knicks have made historically bad trades involving their picks but that doesn't mean we can't make good trades involving them in the future. I'm not advocating that we move the pick but when you're as bad as we are, everything should be on the table.

I just want to say 95% of all nba players were picked up in the draft. Secondly the player I mentioned is arguably the best center in the league in Demarcus cousins....I think I need to start charging for hot water and heat

I wasn't disagreeing with any of that so what is your point?

Talking about your neighbor t percy

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12/30/2014  6:35 PM
Envy, I think we all see where you are getting at with Cousins, OFFENSIVELY, we need a powerhouse of someone of his caliber to initate the Triangle in the POST
You are absolutely correct, we need a BIG upgrade with talents of his MONSTER abilities and if even if we drafted some of these guys in this coming draft, our ability to contend will dependent on that rook's ability to DEVELOP, which would not work too well considering CA would like to compete and contend by next summer and that is unlikely to happen if it was dependent on a rook!

Cousins can play that style but he also likes to take Jumpers from the mid range as well, meaning we will need PF, SF's, SG's, that could all play inside and outside to work effectively...


We need a lot of talents that can outplay their contracts, especially with the way CA and Calderon eat up 40% of our cap space and are both not good defensive players
In order do be a contender, we need to be at least an over average to a good defensive team, so we are starting off with 2 poor defenders, meaning we would need to acquire many 2 way players that could score/facilitate/defend, which typically cost more money, something of Ariza's caliber


Honestly, Kings would not even consider that trade but even if they did, we would need a lot of vet min contracts that would be starting material and bench players in the 6th to 8th man role doing the same
With the Kings previous max extension of COusins, extending Rudy Gay at 3year 12m per year, paying for Darren Collison (FULL MLE MONEY) and Sessions (2.2m), and not firing their head coach with just a 1/3 in to the season, it is a sign that they are expecting to contend this year and in the upcoming years in the tough Western Conference

But for funs sake let us see the possiblity of building around that core (We would have to starphuq with the rest of our 1st rounders, 2015 *draft rights*, 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024)

Cousins > Kevin Love, while Twolves recieved Wiggons, Thad Young, and the #1 draft pick in Anthony Bennett, Love was traded for 1 1st round draft picks, two of which were #1 draft picks
So we would AT LEAST have to give up another 1st round pick in the process, 2015 (draft rights we can trade on draft day), 2018, 2020, 2022, 2024

Signed with MLE and Cap Space
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-Thanasis signs a deal that starts off paying him 1m with raises, team option for 3rd year with first 2 years guaranteed, instead of the 500k, 900k, structure for being a mid/late 2nd rounder

-ED Davis signs a deal for about a deal of 11m for 3 years (3rd year team option)
-Wesley Johnson signs a deal slightly lower than Davis's contract with 3rd year being a player option
-KJ McDaniels signs a deal for under 9m per year, a starting salary of 2.8m and team option for 2nd (2nd year is 1m guaranteed though) and 3rd year

-Traded for Tony Wroten with STAT or AB to Philly for a 1 of our 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder while recieving a large trade exemption that could be used 1 year from expiration date
-Randy Foye traded for with 3.6m trade exemption with Denver to clear some salary so they can resign Affalo without draft picks, possibly sending our one of our younger talents like Larkin


Other notes
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-We pray JR Smith opts out in search of financial security since he will likely decline even more as he continues to age and lose more athleticism/speed/quickness/physical abilities
-Tim Hardaway JR is traded for 2 2nd round draft picks in this summer's draft
-Hopefully we can get future picks with some of our young guys and Iman Shumpert by the trade deadline to a contender (maybe LA Clippers/OKC still has interest in his defensive abilities with a 2nd rounder or 2)
-Same with Acey/ and vets in Jason Smith/Pablo (Pablo retires and removes his partial guaranteed contract but works as a scout for the Knicks with a *wink wink* deal
-IF UNABLE TO TRADE IMAN and OTHER YOUNG contracts, Will likely have to rescind the rights to Iman Shumpert and everyone else on our roster in order to give King's a trade exemption

Knicks STARTING LINEUP
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We could go for many different type of starting lineups depending if CA is better playing the SF (where he is a greater liablity at the SF than at the PF where Cousins could help him out)
Mainly 4/5 different possible starting Linups depending on match ups


Starting lineup #1
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Cousins
Ed Davis

CA

Tony Wroten (playing lead Guard, as Calderon plays the 2nd ball handler and spot up shooter)
Calderon


Starting lineups #2
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Cousins
CA

Wesley Johnson
KJ McDaniels

Calderon/Wroten


Starting linup #3
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Cousins
Wesley Johnson

CA

KJ McDaniels/Thanasis
Thanasis

Calderon/Wroten


Bench
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Wroten
Randy Foye
KJ McDaniels
CleAnthony Early???
Ed Davis
Cole Aldrich

Orlando Sanchez
Travis Wear

Acey if no gives him an offer greater than our qualifying offer
Vet Min's
Vet min's

*we still have a trade exemption that we have not used, depending on who we trade to Philly, the trade exemption could be 10m-12m or 20m

DRAFT PICKS OWNED
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* we haved used 2015 #1 rounder, 2018 #1, 2020 #1*
we still own, 2022 and 2024 left
If we are able to get 2 2nd rounders for Iman Shumpert or/and anything else from our firehouse sale at the deadline to contenders

If we trade STAT or AB by this deadline, using a 2018 or 2020 1st rounder pick and maybe a future 2nd rounder
We could acquire a 20m trade exemption, we can help a team clear ONE salary/contract and not use any assets or use a 2020/2022 1st rounder and pick up more talent)

With no pick, we can probably trade for someone like Lance Stephenson
If we use all of our assets and Durant wishes to go to NYK, if he forces his way here, we can acquire him in 2017
With some of our draft picks, we can target a player like Noah, where Chicago is cheap and would have Gasol/Giben/Mirotic *filled out and developed*, McBucckets, and had to pay a MAX extension to keep Butler


We could have the MLE and divide that up 2, possibly 2 players (assuming we can convince Cole Aldrich to stay, in order to go over the cap and get the FULL MLE (worth about 6m)
Say there are other teams interested in Cole Aldrich, max we would probably want to offer is something like

4 year, 20m, 4th year being a player option or at best, 5year 25m deal with 5th year being a team option

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12/30/2014  8:04 PM
Bite your tongue, please don't trade any more of our picks again...
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12/31/2014  10:45 AM
EnySpree wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
TPercy wrote:No no no!
I am sick and tired of trading picks, do you know where all the current NBA all stars where orginally acquired? THROUGH DRAFT PICKS. We've tried trading picksin the past and how has that served us? Not well at all. There is absolutely no incentive of trading away picks as we are ALWAYS on the losing end of them.

If you were in a car accident, does that mean you should stop riding in cars altogether? Yeah, the Knicks have made historically bad trades involving their picks but that doesn't mean we can't make good trades involving them in the future. I'm not advocating that we move the pick but when you're as bad as we are, everything should be on the table.

I just want to say 95% of all nba players were picked up in the draft. Secondly the player I mentioned is arguably the best center in the league in Demarcus cousins....I think I need to start charging for hot water and heat

I wasn't disagreeing with any of that so what is your point?

Talking about your neighbor t percy


@NardDog, but how many "car crashes has the Knicks been in? alot by that point yes, I will stop driving all together and occasianlly go out for a "small drive"(2nd rounders);However, I do agree with that other part all options should be on the table but that should be the VERY last resort.
@Eny, that stat is irrelevant by " through draft picks" I mean't through that they were picked in the draft by draft picks. Sorry if I was not clear enough. Secondly, D- Cousins is their conerstone player and they are wel aware of what he is, it would take a hell of a lot more than a draft pick to acquire him.
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12/31/2014  10:58 AM
Maybe if we could work out a sign and trade for Eddy Curry- I would definitely trade our number 1 pick then
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12/31/2014  11:24 AM
this thread is premature.

I dont think (assuming we are top 4) that the pick gets traded, but there may be chances to trade down that make sense.

To me Phil MUST execute this offseason. I think he needs to walk away with a bare minimum 3 building block players. 2 FAs and 1 in the draft. I cant see us trading any chance to get one of the top 3 guys that being said... things can change though.

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12/31/2014  11:44 AM
We should literally only do one thing - accumulate as many picks as possible. No one on the roster is worth keeping.
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12/31/2014  3:30 PM
I might consider swinging the #1 pick for say the #3 pick and a player (good contract) and an unprotected 1st rounder in 2016 pick.

For example -- Knicks trade rights to #1 overall pick (J-Okafor) to Minnesota T-Pups

Knicks receive rights to #3 pick (Knicks select - PG E-Mudiay)and receive Z-Levine/G-Deng and unprotected 2016 pick.

Maybe not that trade exactly -- but if I couldn't get either Towns or Mudiay I wouldn't consider the trade. In this scenario we still retain CAP flexibility for FA's and we add 2 outstanding backcourt athletes in Mudiay/Levine along with serviceable center in Deng and unprotected 2016 pick.

It would depend how much other teams covet a shot at Okafor.

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12/31/2014  3:34 PM
Larkin & Early are basically junk - combine that with a #1 pick & I don't think that is anywhere near enough to get Cousins.

Nets should have taken him over Favors.

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
what about trading our #1?

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