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knicks1248
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12/26/2014  7:08 PM
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

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12/26/2014  7:23 PM
I've seen players turn their backs on Melo when he was in Denver and now it's happening on the Knicks.
Body language tells it all. I think that his teammates generally can't stand him.
I just don't see any good players wanting to come to NY to play with him.

If you're a Knick fan, your only hope out of this mess is that Melo gets tired of losing and begs out of his no trade clause and we find some sucker to take him. Otherwise, this team is screwedbluedandtattooed for years to come.

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12/26/2014  7:25 PM
Right either Melo asks out or we are patient for 5yrs minimum and hold on to our draft picks
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12/26/2014  7:35 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Right either Melo asks out or we are patient for 5yrs minimum and hold on to our draft picks

Agreed 100%, Guns.
I can't see Melo being patient for two more years let alone five!
He should have forced a sign and trade to the Bulls and, despite what he says, I bet he regrets it.

We are light years behind most teams in the East
in terms of team building strategy and development.

Melo needs to go to expedite our rebuild.

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12/26/2014  7:51 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

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12/26/2014  8:58 PM
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

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12/26/2014  9:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

If KD was 30 and Melo was 26

If KD was paid $25mil/yr and Melo $20mil/yr


I'd never trade KD for Melo even if I didn't exist


^^^^^^^^^


The above makes no sense and nor what you just posted

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12/26/2014  9:19 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.
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12/26/2014  9:22 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

We would not be 5-26 not even close

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12/26/2014  9:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/29/2014  9:46 PM
So we're the worst team[loss-wise] in the league with Melo

Wouldn't be much different if Melo was swapped out with KD


But if Phil leaves flexibility open in 2016 and

We add the lack of difference in KD to Melo


Then we winning Da Chip?

Are we conversing with Human Beings or Digital Lost Minds

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12/26/2014  10:01 PM
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

We would not be 5-26 not even close

Who does KD run with on the Knicks that suddenly becomes good because of his presence? The Knicks have nothing on their roster.
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12/27/2014  7:28 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

You do realize that KD's worst shooting %'s is damn near melo's best? Dont even mention the playoffs...it's a landslide in favor of Durant. This season alone many games were lost due to Melo's horrific shooting. Insert Durant and those games arent lost, and likely that better teammates would be here as well.
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12/27/2014  10:35 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

We would not be 5-26 not even close

Who does KD run with on the Knicks that suddenly becomes good because of his presence? The Knicks have nothing on their roster.


Thats not true, the knicks have no one on their roster thats smart enough to run the triangle consistently(not many teams do), they also have no one thats consistently buying in to the defensive philosophy, and finally, you have a coach who isn't maxing out one single plays strength.

So now it look like we have a d league squad, when in fact we have talent that isn't being utilized correctly.

I swear, I never recall Oakly, Camby, spree, Ewing, or any Knick player ever taking off for a rest day, unless we clinch a playoff spot in april..

Fckng NBA don't breed players like they used to..

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12/27/2014  10:46 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:I've seen players turn their backs on Melo when he was in Denver and now it's happening on the Knicks.
Body language tells it all. I think that his teammates generally can't stand him.
I just don't see any good players wanting to come to NY to play with him.


His feud with Tyson Chandler surely doesn't help. For whatever positives or negatives people see with Chandler, he did play with Team USA and bonded with a lot of those elite guys. Making enemies with Chandler isn't going to endear him to the circles close to Chandler ( the Dallas connection, the Team USA connection, the Chris Paul/David West connection)

Driving out D'Antoni won't help either. Pringles has his faults but again, he was associated with Team USA and also is generally well liked as a players coach. And he's respected in the international basketball community.

Railroading Lin doesn't seem like a great move for Melo. Lin is generally well received and liked by his coaches and team mates ( well besides Melo and the puppet Woodson) Eric Musselman said in the D league, since Lin was a Warrior, he would get first class plane tickets and Lin would trade them for coach seats with other D league players who were struggling to get by and not affiliated with a pro team at the time. This was before Linsanity. I remember a press conference when Lin said, if you want to give me credit for wins when they are team wins, you should lay this loss on me, on my shoulders, on my back. Would Melo ever say that?

Melo just seems to have a problem with players and coaches who can help or did help or would have helped the Knicks. How does a team function that way?

He didn't have a feud with Tyson. You posted something on a different occasion saying that Zach Lowe had talked about their feud. I checked up on it because at the time when Tyson was moved there was speculation that it meant the Knicks were not keeping Melo. Lowe said nothing about a feud between Melo and Tyson. What he did mention was that there were rumors of different treatment for CAA guys versus non CAA guys and he linked to a Broussard article where Broussard quoted an anonymous source saying that CAA guys get different treatment. Not sure when that became a feud but you ran with it.
The Lin and D'Antoni stuff is just ridiculous and there is no merit to it. How did Melo get a 'poison pill' deal for Lin in Houston when he was overseas playing for the Olympics? Also, didn't it seem like the writing was on the wall for D'Antoni when Grunwald dumped Billups, brought in Tyson and then hired Woodson? I was never a fan of D'Antoni's but Grunwald was obviously having Mike audition for the job with a roster Glen wanted and not a D'Antoni friendly roster. D'Antoni was in the last year of his deal and wasn't extended. The next Knick coach was sitting next to him as his 'defensive assistant'. Once Walsh left D'Antoni was done. He wasn't able to adapt to the roster and eventually resigned.
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12/27/2014  11:37 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:I've seen players turn their backs on Melo when he was in Denver and now it's happening on the Knicks.
Body language tells it all. I think that his teammates generally can't stand him.
I just don't see any good players wanting to come to NY to play with him.


His feud with Tyson Chandler surely doesn't help. For whatever positives or negatives people see with Chandler, he did play with Team USA and bonded with a lot of those elite guys. Making enemies with Chandler isn't going to endear him to the circles close to Chandler ( the Dallas connection, the Team USA connection, the Chris Paul/David West connection)

Driving out D'Antoni won't help either. Pringles has his faults but again, he was associated with Team USA and also is generally well liked as a players coach. And he's respected in the international basketball community.

Railroading Lin doesn't seem like a great move for Melo. Lin is generally well received and liked by his coaches and team mates ( well besides Melo and the puppet Woodson) Eric Musselman said in the D league, since Lin was a Warrior, he would get first class plane tickets and Lin would trade them for coach seats with other D league players who were struggling to get by and not affiliated with a pro team at the time. This was before Linsanity. I remember a press conference when Lin said, if you want to give me credit for wins when they are team wins, you should lay this loss on me, on my shoulders, on my back. Would Melo ever say that?

Melo just seems to have a problem with players and coaches who can help or did help or would have helped the Knicks. How does a team function that way?

He didn't have a feud with Tyson. You posted something on a different occasion saying that Zach Lowe had talked about their feud. I checked up on it because at the time when Tyson was moved there was speculation that it meant the Knicks were not keeping Melo. Lowe said nothing about a feud between Melo and Tyson. What he did mention was that there were rumors of different treatment for CAA guys versus non CAA guys and he linked to a Broussard article where Broussard quoted an anonymous source saying that CAA guys get different treatment. Not sure when that became a feud but you ran with it.
The Lin and D'Antoni stuff is just ridiculous and there is no merit to it. How did Melo get a 'poison pill' deal for Lin in Houston when he was overseas playing for the Olympics? Also, didn't it seem like the writing was on the wall for D'Antoni when Grunwald dumped Billups, brought in Tyson and then hired Woodson? I was never a fan of D'Antoni's but Grunwald was obviously having Mike audition for the job with a roster Glen wanted and not a D'Antoni friendly roster. D'Antoni was in the last year of his deal and wasn't extended. The next Knick coach was sitting next to him as his 'defensive assistant'. Once Walsh left D'Antoni was done. He wasn't able to adapt to the roster and eventually resigned.

He must have used telegraph service, because evidently international phone calls hadn't been invented yet.

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12/27/2014  12:24 PM
what is this melo jacking up 25-30 shots a game thing? he's averaging 19shots/game this year and shooting 46%.. his highest FG% in a few years.
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12/27/2014  1:27 PM
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

You do realize that KD's worst shooting %'s is damn near melo's best? Dont even mention the playoffs...it's a landslide in favor of Durant. This season alone many games were lost due to Melo's horrific shooting. Insert Durant and those games arent lost, and likely that better teammates would be here as well.

He said swap. If you just switch Melo and KD the Knicks are still going to be a bad team and I'm not even going into the injuries he's had this season also.
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12/27/2014  1:29 PM
TeamBall wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

You do realize that KD's worst shooting %'s is damn near melo's best? Dont even mention the playoffs...it's a landslide in favor of Durant. This season alone many games were lost due to Melo's horrific shooting. Insert Durant and those games arent lost, and likely that better teammates would be here as well.

He said swap. If you just switch Melo and KD the Knicks are still going to be a bad team and I'm not even going into the injuries he's had this season also.
i dont think we would be a playoff but a fully healthy kd would make us a few wins better maybe
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12/27/2014  1:36 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

You do realize that KD's worst shooting %'s is damn near melo's best? Dont even mention the playoffs...it's a landslide in favor of Durant. This season alone many games were lost due to Melo's horrific shooting. Insert Durant and those games arent lost, and likely that better teammates would be here as well.

He said swap. If you just switch Melo and KD the Knicks are still going to be a bad team and I'm not even going into the injuries he's had this season also.
i dont think we would be a playoff but a fully healthy kd would make us a few wins better maybe

Not exactly a big accomplishment
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12/27/2014  1:37 PM
TeamBall wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Splat wrote:There is no Catch-22 with Melo. He's just not anything close to being a centerpiece. If we had paid him what he is worth, then fine. But when you make someone the highest paid player in the league, they better be worth it.

All the scrambling around and projections on what we can assemble is empty gyrations as long as so much cap is fixed on one overpaid guy.

If it were only a money thing, but the player in question were a real team player, even that would allow for some flexibility in assembling the right talents and creating a good mix of players.

But Melo doesn't mix well with other players. He's just a solo dog. A diva.

He's good at one thing, but he otherwise sucks as the core player. You can't build around this guy. I don't care if were paid 5 cents. Cap space is a problem, but the biggest problem is the player themself.

Building around Melo is the biggest fantasy fail of all time. It's a giant joke and there are still some taking the bait and playing that game. It's sad.


No one is building around melo, he's just part of a core, and he happens to score really well, better then most in the league.

Soon as you realize he's part of the solution and not THE SOLUTION, you will appreciate the plan that phil is not executing so well right now. Melo is just ONE piece to a puzzle. No matter who you bring in, no matter how talented, no matter how smart that player is, he can't do without the right type of players to complement him.

No so called super star in this league is taking average players to the next level, raising there level. They all want to play with more talented players around, no brainer.

If I was melo, or any star, unless a team comes to the table and say I got so and so other star player ready to sign if you take 10 or 20 mill less (like miami, spurs already had) then i could see you saying their greedy fcks. But if all you can give me is a hope and a pray, i got to look out for myself, family, and friends..Point blank. This franchise is worth more than a lot of franchises in the world of sports.

Take less for what, you think you can ever be a sports agent with your thinking, you wouldn't last a yr. Your just a fan hoping some young millionaire athlete takes less money to make you happy..

Why can't you deal with it, the dude is here for awhile.

If you put any star to super star in this league, swap him with melo, our record would still be the exact same without a shadow of a doubt.

The List of problems

1)No Ft's
2)our guards are are not bright at all
3)No one knows when they will play of if they will play at all
4)9 pending FA
5)injuries
6)No leadership, but then see problem 4
7)clueless coach
9)low IQ big man
10)Triangle

How is melo responsible for any of our real issues.

Here's another news flash, the Knicks will plenty of money this off season,and they won't be able to give it away, simply because these current players are making this system look live a bad virus.

Why should I accept anything? If Melo is here next season, I won't be. FishMike can start making the confetti now. I'm not settling for BS apologies for the state of this club and I won't support them if this continues. Melo is a cancer. If he stays, I'm done. If more Knicks fans felt like I do, we'd boo his sorry azz out of MSG and he'd be begging Phil to trade him. That's my only hope for this team and my ability to follow them hinges on whether Melo stays or goes. He's a horrible player and we will never succeed with him whether you want to play semantics about cores and building. This club has no standards. I do. If they can raise theirs, I'll stick around. If not, I'll drop hoops for life. I've had enough BS already.

What's the difference between Melo and KD, besides the age and contract?

There are differences but in regards to their teams success on the court not much. Swap out KD and Melo and the Knicks still suck and the Thunder are still good.

You do realize that KD's worst shooting %'s is damn near melo's best? Dont even mention the playoffs...it's a landslide in favor of Durant. This season alone many games were lost due to Melo's horrific shooting. Insert Durant and those games arent lost, and likely that better teammates would be here as well.

He said swap. If you just switch Melo and KD the Knicks are still going to be a bad team and I'm not even going into the injuries he's had this season also.
i dont think we would be a playoff but a fully healthy kd would make us a few wins better maybe

Not exactly a big accomplishment
agreed
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