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F500ONE
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12/20/2014  5:21 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Why would the Bulls offer Butler for Carmelo? Please help me understand

They wouldn't it's all fantasy and we all get it

We're in what ifs, coulda, woulda, shoulda
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12/20/2014  7:51 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  7:51 PM
You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??
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12/20/2014  7:53 PM
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/20/2014  7:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  7:58 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..And since u saw him live that changes everything..He wasn't a monster 25 games ago..
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holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement
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12/20/2014  8:00 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  8:01 PM
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement


Neither did MJ, Magic, or Bird, so what's your point??
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12/20/2014  8:09 PM
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement


Neither did MJ, Magic, or Bird, so what's your point??

So now Melo has graduated past Dirk on to

MJ, Magic, Bird levels?


Listen Melo and Dirk have played in the same span of time

Amidst an NBA climate when pay has escalated


Dirk has been paid less and won far more

Melo has been paid far more and won a helluva lot less


Dirk by galaxies far and wide and undiscovered is better than Melo always will be
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12/20/2014  8:10 PM
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement

He made 22 mil last year when he was 35 and prior to this season has made 204 million in his career.
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12/20/2014  8:11 PM
All i know is that i would love to have butler, a guy who plays well on both ends
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12/20/2014  8:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  8:17 PM
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement


Neither did MJ, Magic, or Bird, so what's your point??

So now Melo has graduated past Dirk on to

MJ, Magic, Bird levels?


Listen Melo and Dirk have played in the same span of time

Amidst an NBA climate when pay has escalated


Dirk has been paid less and won far more

Melo has been paid far more and won a helluva lot less


Dirk by galaxies far and wide and undiscovered is better than Melo always will be

He was paid less because max players were paid less when he(Dirk) was in his prime..Had he been in his prime today, he too would get 125mil or 124mil actually...Bosh got 119..Gordon Haywood is making 16 mil per...My point was that MJ's max was less at the time as well...And Ill take Melo over Dirk right now and Melo is and was a far superior defender than Dirk has ever been..But I know u don't care about that..U only care about Melo defending...
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12/20/2014  8:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  8:28 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement

He made 22 mil last year when he was 35 and prior to this season has made 204 million in his career.

Melo including this contract has made 260mil[if he plays out his 5th yr] he'll be 34

Came into the league 5yrs after Dirk, that should tell you something


Dirk's richest contract was 7yrs/$100mil
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12/20/2014  8:24 PM
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement


Neither did MJ, Magic, or Bird, so what's your point??

So now Melo has graduated past Dirk on to

MJ, Magic, Bird levels?


Listen Melo and Dirk have played in the same span of time

Amidst an NBA climate when pay has escalated


Dirk has been paid less and won far more

Melo has been paid far more and won a helluva lot less


Dirk by galaxies far and wide and undiscovered is better than Melo always will be

He was paid less because max players were paid less when he(Dirk) was in his prime..Had he been in his prime today, he too would get 125mil or 124mil actually...Bosh got 119..Gordon Haywood is making 16 mil per...My point was that MJ's max was less at the time as well...And Ill take Melo over Dirk right now and Melo is and was a far superior defender than Dirk has ever been..But I know u don't care about that..U only care about Melo defending...

This.
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12/20/2014  8:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  8:34 PM
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement


Neither did MJ, Magic, or Bird, so what's your point??

So now Melo has graduated past Dirk on to

MJ, Magic, Bird levels?


Listen Melo and Dirk have played in the same span of time

Amidst an NBA climate when pay has escalated


Dirk has been paid less and won far more

Melo has been paid far more and won a helluva lot less


Dirk by galaxies far and wide and undiscovered is better than Melo always will be

He was paid less because max players were paid less when he(Dirk) was in his prime..Had he been in his prime today, he too would get 125mil or 124mil actually...Bosh got 119..Gordon Haywood is making 16 mil per...My point was that MJ's max was less at the time as well...And Ill take Melo over Dirk right now and Melo is and was a far superior defender than Dirk has ever been..But I know u don't care about that..U only care about Melo defending...

Dirk

Defensive Win Shares
2002-03 NBA 5.3 (6)
2004-05 NBA 5.2 (6)
Active 53.7 (6)
Career NBA 53.7 (37)
Career 53.7 (39)


Offensive Win Shares
2000-01 NBA 10.3 (4)
2001-02 NBA 10.2 (2)
2002-03 NBA 10.8 (3)
2003-04 NBA 9.0 (3)
2004-05 NBA 10.3 (3)
2005-06 NBA 13.5 (1)
2006-07 NBA 11.8 (1)
2007-08 NBA 8.9 (9)
2008-09 NBA 7.5 (8)
2009-10 NBA 8.4 (5)
2010-11 NBA 7.8 (9)
2013-14 NBA 8.6 (7)
Active 133.8 (1)
Career NBA 133.8 (8)
Career 133.8 (8)


MVP Award Shares
2001-02 NBA 0.025 (8)
2002-03 NBA 0.036 (7)
2003-04 NBA 0.003 (10)
2004-05 NBA 0.275 (3)
2005-06 NBA 0.435 (3)
2006-07 NBA 0.882 (1)
2007-08 NBA 0.004 (11)
2008-09 NBA 0.002 (10)
2009-10 NBA 0.045 (7)
2010-11 NBA 0.093 (6)
2011-12 NBA 0.003 (12)
2013-14 NBA 0.006 (14)
Active 1.810 (7)
Career 1.810 (22)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html

Melo

Defensive Win Shares
BIG FAT DONUT OF NOTHING[well Melotin ate that too]

Offensive Win Shares
2012-13 NBA 7.5 (9)
2013-14 NBA 8.1 (10)

MVP Award Shares
2003-04 NBA 0.001 (14)
2006-07 NBA 0.001 (15)
2007-08 NBA 0.002 (13)
2009-10 NBA 0.053 (6)
2012-13 NBA 0.393 (3)
2013-14 NBA 0.003 (15)
Active 0.453 (12)
Career 0.453 (55)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html


I wouldn't lust for any on an All-NBA Defensive team

But your propaganda here is close to catching a subpoena
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12/20/2014  8:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  8:53 PM
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
holfresh wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

yeah..tell that to Dirk and KD..


Are you trying to be cute comparing Melo to Dirk

Oh and Dirk has never made $125mil in any 1 contract agreement


Neither did MJ, Magic, or Bird, so what's your point??

So now Melo has graduated past Dirk on to

MJ, Magic, Bird levels?


Listen Melo and Dirk have played in the same span of time

Amidst an NBA climate when pay has escalated


Dirk has been paid less and won far more

Melo has been paid far more and won a helluva lot less


Dirk by galaxies far and wide and undiscovered is better than Melo always will be

He was paid less because max players were paid less when he(Dirk) was in his prime..Had he been in his prime today, he too would get 125mil or 124mil actually...Bosh got 119..Gordon Haywood is making 16 mil per...My point was that MJ's max was less at the time as well...And Ill take Melo over Dirk right now and Melo is and was a far superior defender than Dirk has ever been..But I know u don't care about that..U only care about Melo defending...

Dirk

Defensive Win Shares
2002-03 NBA 5.3 (6)
2004-05 NBA 5.2 (6)
Active 53.7 (6)
Career NBA 53.7 (37)
Career 53.7 (39)


Offensive Win Shares
2000-01 NBA 10.3 (4)
2001-02 NBA 10.2 (2)
2002-03 NBA 10.8 (3)
2003-04 NBA 9.0 (3)
2004-05 NBA 10.3 (3)
2005-06 NBA 13.5 (1)
2006-07 NBA 11.8 (1)
2007-08 NBA 8.9 (9)
2008-09 NBA 7.5 (8)
2009-10 NBA 8.4 (5)
2010-11 NBA 7.8 (9)
2013-14 NBA 8.6 (7)
Active 133.8 (1)
Career NBA 133.8 (8)
Career 133.8 (8)


MVP Award Shares
2001-02 NBA 0.025 (8)
2002-03 NBA 0.036 (7)
2003-04 NBA 0.003 (10)
2004-05 NBA 0.275 (3)
2005-06 NBA 0.435 (3)
2006-07 NBA 0.882 (1)
2007-08 NBA 0.004 (11)
2008-09 NBA 0.002 (10)
2009-10 NBA 0.045 (7)
2010-11 NBA 0.093 (6)
2011-12 NBA 0.003 (12)
2013-14 NBA 0.006 (14)
Active 1.810 (7)
Career 1.810 (22)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01.html

Melo

Defensive Win Shares
BIG FAT DONUT OF NOTHING[well Melotin ate that too]

Offensive Win Shares
2012-13 NBA 7.5 (9)
2013-14 NBA 8.1 (10)

MVP Award Shares
2003-04 NBA 0.001 (14)
2006-07 NBA 0.001 (15)
2007-08 NBA 0.002 (13)
2009-10 NBA 0.053 (6)
2012-13 NBA 0.393 (3)
2013-14 NBA 0.003 (15)
Active 0.453 (12)
Career 0.453 (55)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01.html


I wouldn't lust for any on an All-NBA Defensive team

But your propaganda here is close to catching a subpoena


Not sure what all that means and don't really care..Dirk is a horrible defender, period...
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12/20/2014  9:24 PM
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

That kid is certainly worth the money. He puts in the time in the gym and his production this year is a result of that.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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12/20/2014  9:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/20/2014  9:37 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

That kid is certainly worth the money. He puts in the time in the gym and his production this year is a result of that.

And u know this after 24 games?
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holfresh wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

That kid is certainly worth the money. He puts in the time in the gym and his production this year is a result of that.

And u know this after 24 games?

He shows improvement since he entered the league. Check out his average from year: 1,2,and now

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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Knicks1969 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

That kid is certainly worth the money. He puts in the time in the gym and his production this year is a result of that.

And u know this after 24 games?

He shows improvement since he entered the league. Check out his average from year: 1,2,and now


So when that happens and the moment you score 22 and 6reb per in 24 games then u are a max player?
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holfresh wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
holfresh wrote:You guys realize u want to max a guy out based of 24 games of play?!?!?..Last year he shot less than 40% and 28% from the three??
Max a guy who has never been an all star??

i saw him play live. he is a monster two-way player. you don't win with maxed out one-way players-- as you well know.

That kid is certainly worth the money. He puts in the time in the gym and his production this year is a result of that.

And u know this after 24 games?

He shows improvement since he entered the league. Check out his average from year: 1,2,and now


So when that happens and the moment you score 22 and 6reb per in 24 games then u are a max player?

Dude, u either give him the money or someone else will come in and give it to him. The Bulls would be stupid not to offer him a similar contract to Klay Thompson. I would give him the money because he is not a one trick poney like the many May players we have on our roster

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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@holfresh: would u give max money to Damian Lillard????
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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