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StarksEwing1
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12/18/2014  10:55 PM
Uptown wrote:This thread was so predictable. Got home late, turned the game on and saw the Knicks down by 3 very late in the game. I knew the moment I logged in to this site I would see a thread about us being better without Melo....SMH
its not really a bad argument even the broadcasters mentioned it. I like melo but i am fair about his strengths and weaknesses
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12/18/2014  10:56 PM
Knixkik wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:I don't know but Melo is the worst so called "superstar" i've ever seen
the term superstar can be misleading nowadays. Melo is a all star scorer but i dont consider him a elite talent like lebron,durant,and the emerging anthony davis

You just named the top 3 players in the game. No one else is in the same class as them either.

true but i would take steph curry, irving and a few others as well
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12/18/2014  10:56 PM
I love it when these "better without melo" always gets everyone riled up
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12/18/2014  10:57 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I love it when these "better without melo" always gets everyone riled up
its a few specific people which is fine
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12/18/2014  10:57 PM
Melo has been the best player on 50 win teams his entire career. But because we only lost by 6 to the bulls we are better without him lol.
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12/18/2014  10:58 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:No one bring up that they went away from the triangle. Interesting

We ran a lot of it, we had some Amar'e and Smith ISO moments

But we got plenty done within the system

They went most of the 4th qtr going into their PnR sets. They run the triangle for a heavy amount in most games just like this game but tonight it is not an issue. I find that interesting Well not really it is kind of predictable. just like saying the ball flowed when they had under 20 ast. Some people see what they want to see.
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12/18/2014  11:00 PM
Knixkik wrote:Melo has been the best player on 50 win teams his entire career. But because we only lost by 6 to the bulls we are better without him lol.
i respect your loyalty and wanting to come to his defense but i dont think anyone was bashing him. The ball seemed to move more freely tonight especially against a tough defensive team
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12/18/2014  11:01 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:I don't know but Melo is the worst so called "superstar" i've ever seen
the term superstar can be misleading nowadays. Melo is a all star scorer but i dont consider him a elite talent like lebron,durant,and the emerging anthony davis

You just named the top 3 players in the game. No one else is in the same class as them either.

true but i would take steph curry, irving and a few others as well

I would say outside of those top 3 he is in the next class of players, 8-10 of them. Melo might not be a franchise player but there are very few in the league right now.
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12/18/2014  11:02 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Melo has been the best player on 50 win teams his entire career. But because we only lost by 6 to the bulls we are better without him lol.
i respect your loyalty and wanting to come to his defense but i dont think anyone was bashing him. The ball seemed to move more freely tonight especially against a tough defensive team

Based on this size of a sample I can't disagree.
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12/18/2014  11:02 PM
Knixkik wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:I don't know but Melo is the worst so called "superstar" i've ever seen
the term superstar can be misleading nowadays. Melo is a all star scorer but i dont consider him a elite talent like lebron,durant,and the emerging anthony davis

You just named the top 3 players in the game. No one else is in the same class as them either.

Actually Harden is and so are some others at least in terms of TEAM play

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12/18/2014  11:03 PM
Knixkik wrote:Melo has been the best player on 50 win teams his entire career. But because we only lost by 6 to the bulls we are better without him lol.
Great post. Pretty sure there will be someone to dismiss this based on one loss to a good team though.
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12/18/2014  11:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2014  11:04 PM
Knixkik wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
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gunsnewing wrote:I don't know but Melo is the worst so called "superstar" i've ever seen
the term superstar can be misleading nowadays. Melo is a all star scorer but i dont consider him a elite talent like lebron,durant,and the emerging anthony davis

You just named the top 3 players in the game. No one else is in the same class as them either.

true but i would take steph curry, irving and a few others as well

I would say outside of those top 3 he is in the next class of players, 8-10 of them. Melo might not be a franchise player but there are very few in the league right now.

its not like im saying he is a bum. He is a all star and great scorer. But he isnt the type of player who has a great overall game or makes guys better. Thats not a knock on him its just what he is
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12/18/2014  11:04 PM
Phil's teams weren't always triangle 100 percent of the time .... Also would melo have helped the answer is yes if he was coached correctly with out being a ball hog and we didn't go through a melo third quarter where he shoots z10 times in a row and misses 9 and we go down by 15 and the rest of the team is emotionally darned and there is no climbing back cause melo is not a leader
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12/18/2014  11:06 PM
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Uptown wrote:This thread was so predictable. Got home late, turned the game on and saw the Knicks down by 3 very late in the game. I knew the moment I logged in to this site I would see a thread about us being better without Melo....SMH
its not really a bad argument even the broadcasters mentioned it. I like melo but i am fair about his strengths and weaknesses

If you are as fair as you claim to be, why do you always have to remind everyone about how fair you are just before you bash him?
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12/18/2014  11:06 PM
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Knixkik wrote:Melo has been the best player on 50 win teams his entire career. But because we only lost by 6 to the bulls we are better without him lol.
Great post. Pretty sure there will be someone to dismiss this based on one loss to a good team though.

Actually our record without Melo since he's been a Knick

Is better than our current 5-20 record with him this season
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12/18/2014  11:07 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I love it when these "better without melo" always gets everyone riled up
its a few specific people which is fine
Whenever the Knicks lose I contemplate whether they are better without melo.
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12/18/2014  11:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2014  11:09 PM
Uptown wrote:
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Uptown wrote:This thread was so predictable. Got home late, turned the game on and saw the Knicks down by 3 very late in the game. I knew the moment I logged in to this site I would see a thread about us being better without Melo....SMH
its not really a bad argument even the broadcasters mentioned it. I like melo but i am fair about his strengths and weaknesses

If you are as fair as you claim to be, why do you always have to remind everyone about how fair you are just before you bash him?

um...how did i bash him. I called him a all star and top scorer. Sure thats bashing. So im not allowed to point out his flaws either
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12/18/2014  11:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:I love it when these "better without melo" always gets everyone riled up

who's riled up?
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12/18/2014  11:13 PM
Again. Melo is a ball hog/ how many 24 second shot clocks did we get tonight trying to get the ball to one player. Zero. Did we go through a 0 for 10 like we always do with melo, no ... Is melo a great scorer yes, is our coach setting the team up to be a team with melo... Not really when did Jordan or Kobe shoot the ball as much melo over and over again making the rest of the team stagnate
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12/18/2014  11:14 PM
Uptown wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I love it when these "better without melo" always gets everyone riled up

who's riled up?

you seem to be. I mean i think melo gets some unwarranted hate but at the same time some get upset if anybody is a tad critical of of his game
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