[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Calderon Is Terrible
Author Thread
Splat
Posts: 23774
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2014
Member: #5862

12/16/2014  11:06 PM
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

That's the funniest comment of the night

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
AUTOADVERT
Knixkik
Posts: 35476
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
12/16/2014  11:06 PM
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

yeah ... the old excuse

good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.

He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.

Knixkik
Posts: 35476
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
12/16/2014  11:07 PM
Splat wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

That's the funniest comment of the night

Clearly you had unrealistic expectations of him then.

Splat
Posts: 23774
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2014
Member: #5862

12/16/2014  11:08 PM
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

yeah ... the old excuse

good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.

He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.

Mmmmm, sooo Jose's distribution, superior understanding of the triangle and ability to educate his teammates is not supposed to make those around him better?

I got a different memo at the beginning of the season than you

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
mreinman
Posts: 37827
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/14/2010
Member: #3189

12/16/2014  11:08 PM
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

yeah ... the old excuse

good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.

He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.

he is a very expensive role player. what is his role again?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
Splat
Posts: 23774
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 7/19/2014
Member: #5862

12/16/2014  11:09 PM
Knixkik wrote:
Splat wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

That's the funniest comment of the night

Clearly you had unrealistic expectations of him then.

If you don't see why what you said is so brilliantly ironic, then six sides to a square is too much information

I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
Knixkik
Posts: 35476
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
12/16/2014  11:10 PM
Splat wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

yeah ... the old excuse

good players actually make those around them better and / or play well on bad teams.

He's a role player. If you want him creating plays then you don't understand where his value is.

Mmmmm, sooo Jose's distribution, superior understanding of the triangle and ability to educate his teammates is not supposed to make those around him better?

I got a different memo at the beginning of the season than you

Superior understand of the triangle? What are you talking about? Has he ever even played in the triangle lol.

Knixkik
Posts: 35476
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #11
USA
12/16/2014  11:17 PM
Splat wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
Splat wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

That's the funniest comment of the night

Clearly you had unrealistic expectations of him then.

If you don't see why what you said is so brilliantly ironic, then six sides to a square is too much information

Don't try to get too creative. Thinking a player who has never played in the triangle somehow was brought here because he has great triangle knowledge to teach others clearly shows your expectations were a little off.

BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
12/16/2014  11:22 PM
Anyone who thinks Calderon is starting caliber is just looking at it wrong. Remember all players fall in value as they age--Calderon has hit this. He's hit this.
RIP Crushalot😞
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555

12/17/2014  1:25 AM
mreinman wrote:Can we please stop making trades?? When was the last time we won a trade?

The best way for us to win a trade is to avoid making them.

I am really surprised how bad calderon is. His efficiency numbers are great yet he can't get off his own shot.

He would best be used as an off the ball spot up shooter on a team with penetrators.

Can't believe we are locked into this guy.

But I thought that TS% and other advanced stats were impervious to a player's quality of teammates? What happened here exactly?

smackeddog
Posts: 38391
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
12/17/2014  2:47 AM
Enjoying people constantly blasting him as the worst PG ever, Looking forward to us trading him, then when he starts playing well, everyone hailing him as the greatest thing ever and how dumb we were to trade him (see Tyson- remember when the consensus on these boards was he was just Dalambert!).

When you're losing, everyone looks awful.

I saw the trade as getting rid of Felton, and adding the equivalent of a late first rounder (Larkin), and two promising 2nd rounders (Early and The Greek kid). When we didn't pick up Larkins option, the trade lost value for me. Calderon can contribute in the right situation. I'm not a fan of his, but he's not the reason why we're awful (we were losing just as much without him).

knickscity
Posts: 24533
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/2/2012
Member: #4241
USA
12/17/2014  4:45 AM
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.

Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
12/17/2014  7:13 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
mreinman wrote:Can we please stop making trades?? When was the last time we won a trade?

The best way for us to win a trade is to avoid making them.

I am really surprised how bad calderon is. His efficiency numbers are great yet he can't get off his own shot.

He would best be used as an off the ball spot up shooter on a team with penetrators.

Can't believe we are locked into this guy.

But I thought that TS% and other advanced stats were impervious to a player's quality of teammates? What happened here exactly?


The advanced stats told a mixed story about Calderon and what would happen was hard to predict. His win shares and wins produced were good but his on/off plus minus and adjusted plus minuses were bad every year.
smackeddog
Posts: 38391
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
12/17/2014  9:36 AM
knickscity wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.

last seasons Mavs?

Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
12/17/2014  9:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2014  9:40 AM
smackeddog wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.

last seasons Mavs?


They're better off without him though. There's a difference between leading a team to success and simply being on a successful team.
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
12/17/2014  9:41 AM
F500ONE wrote:Everyone remember the summer battles I had with Nix

About Calderon, I was just trying to talk some sense into him


It's not a knock on Calderon, listen I'm sure he's a great

Teammate and he's solid for what he provides


But I knew day 1 he's///// how did Evelyn Lozado put it//////


HE'S A MUTHA EFFIN NON FACTOR

no, i always stop reading after you hit enter the first time.

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
F500ONE
Posts: 23899
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/28/2014
Member: #5844

12/17/2014  9:43 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/17/2014  9:45 AM
smackeddog wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.

last seasons Mavs?

So you're saying if we had Dirk instead of Carmelo

He would be able to cover the sins of Calderon


Or are you saying make sure we have a good enough team

Around him so when it's winning time he sits 4th qrts


Agreed, now ask yourself how many Dirk's are there in this league

And do we even have comparable talent and coach to accomplish what they're doing-did

F500ONE
Posts: 23899
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 6/28/2014
Member: #5844

12/17/2014  9:45 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Everyone remember the summer battles I had with Nix

About Calderon, I was just trying to talk some sense into him


It's not a knock on Calderon, listen I'm sure he's a great

Teammate and he's solid for what he provides


But I knew day 1 he's///// how did Evelyn Lozado put it//////


HE'S A MUTHA EFFIN NON FACTOR

no, i always stop reading after you hit enter the first time.

Replies like this are such classics and never get old

Just did a check through and YEP all BUTTONS on the switch board are working

smackeddog
Posts: 38391
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
12/17/2014  9:57 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.

last seasons Mavs?


They're better off without him though. There's a difference between leading a team to success and simply being on a successful team.

They're better off because of adding Tyson and Parsons. To be honest I think the loss of Calderon had no impact. I think he's probably a neutral player who can play an okay role in the right situation (last years Mavs).

smackeddog
Posts: 38391
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
12/17/2014  10:00 AM
F500ONE wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
knickscity wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Calderon will look better when he has better players around him.

Ugly dudes doesnt look as ugly with fine bitches either, because no one looks at the ugly dude anymore. Calderon is an awful player. Surrounding him with better talent should indicate you dont need calderon. He's been an NBA loser his entire career. he's never lead a team to success on this level.

last seasons Mavs?

So you're saying if we had Dirk instead of Carmelo

He would be able to cover the sins of Calderon


Or are you saying make sure we have a good enough team

Around him so when it's winning time he sits 4th qrts


Agreed, now ask yourself how many Dirk's are there in this league

And do we even have comparable talent and coach to accomplish what they're doing-did

No, the poster said Calderon has only played on loser teams and never good teams- I was saying he played on a good team last year. But lets go back to pretending we're all stupid! Calderon MADE all of his teams lose! Remind me which teams he played on that he should have elevated to a higher level? I don't even like Calderon, but I think thats just daft. My misgivings regarding him were hollow stats and I still believe that- I don't think he really impacts the game either way.

Calderon Is Terrible

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy