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Phil get us these two players sans the lottery pick and you are the executive of the year.
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fishmike
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12/16/2014  12:28 PM
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fishmike wrote:The two guys I would go full out for are Monroe and Rondo. They arent the top of the FA tier but they are attainable and make a ton of sense. Monroe is big and very good. Really a great passing big with a nice scoring arsenal that will get more refined with time. He's very young. Rondo... the moody one. He's a winner. His defense on opposing PGs changes the dynamic of the team. He doesnt need shots. Some say he wouldnt be a good triangle fit which is beyond silly (A PG who lives in the paint cant take advantage of spacing????). Both are probably sub max players but might be enticed to take something close to less.

So for me its easy. JR must go, and I will gladly include THjr to a team (Philly?) willing to take JR's extra year. That would let me offer close to max money for Rondo and Monroe (say 4 years $70mm starts at $15mm ends at $20). YES I KNOW THAT IS OVERPAYING but they are both excellent players who fill critcal needs.

Assume we get lucky in the draft with Towns or OK4

Hopefully we can add a nice cheap vet like we did with Kidd a few years ago. Ill stick with Brigg's Amare example of 2 years $10mm

Then your core is:
Guards: Rondo/Calderon
Bigs: Melo/Monroe/OK4
Bench: Amare/Early/Weir/PRigs/Acy

Then the focus is to look to build from within. Find some worthy projects and invest some time. Look overseas. Adding a guy like Mosgov to that squad would be great. Undrafted Euro guys.. point is Knicks will need to be creative to add talent but just look at OKC/SAS etc... it can be done.

Thats a mostly scoring team but it plays to guys strengths. MElo doesnt get to hold the ball anymore with Rondo running the offense so he can flesh out his game. Calderon is a shooter. Monroe and OK4 can P&R with Calderon or space the post with MElo on the wing (Standing in a corner) and a guy like Amare would be a beast for 20 minutes a game off the bench.

That would be my one year plan. There are higher upside plans and players for sure, but I think this is something we could execute on

fishmike--I think its reasonable to say that we need to build the team with cost controlled players as well. Two max contracts are enough unless the names Durant or James was attached to the third. Even then--IF we were LUCKy enough to get ok4--perhaps Phil decides we just need a cheaper shot blocking C and wants to use the cash on a K Leonard etc... I dont know. I do know we are in good shape if we win the lottery. Adding Monroe and those two young guards--or something like that--we'd have 6 guys under 25 who can stay with the team for 10 years. Thats how you build a tam that can win for a decade.

understood, but your going to have to overpay to get guys here, thats just how FA works. Show them the money. To me thats offset by using the draft. Rondo/Melo give you a nice chance to compete now in a weak east. OK4/Monroe are much longer term. What NY needs to do is balance by having a good draft every year. Add a guy who has a chance to make the rotation or skills or size worth developing if hes young. Shump is the longests tenure drafted player. That has to change.
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BRIGGS
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12/16/2014  12:30 PM
Im convinced that Delon Wright is a 6-5 version of Rondo--so many similar attributes but Wright has a nice stroke and is 6-5. So if I had a chance to buy a very cheap version of what I perceive as what will be the same thing albeit 20X cheaper--why wouldnt I "try" to do that? I think this is a unique opportunity to really score big in the draft--probably not feasible--but I certainly would try to execute a plan if there was an avenue. The whole gig about staying good for a long time is putting younger players together that make sense to build chemistry over a long term. The C's when they won and a combination of vets and very young players Rondo Perkins Glenn Davis Tony Allen Leon Powe--all played parts in winning that championship all under th age of 24. So you look at a guy--you see him play against his peers--look at his skill sets--and then you haev to visualize how theyd fit in. I think both guys--unselfish winning team players epitomize what we are trying to do here--getting them while they are babies--but can contribute now--huge score.
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12/16/2014  12:31 PM
It's going to take a lot of good decisions for Phil to just get us back to the .450 team he inherited.
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12/16/2014  12:34 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:It's going to take a lot of good decisions for Phil to just get us back to the .450 team he inherited.
Thats what he gets paid for
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12/16/2014  12:37 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:It's going to take a lot of good decisions for Phil to just get us back to the .450 team he inherited.

Almost everything has to break right in order for this to happen

.450 in somewhat generous, there is new blood in the mix now and trust


The Pacers are going to become a major problem again, next year

Then Philly won't be guaranteed pushovers anymore


I think Phil arrived too late to be honest
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12/16/2014  1:02 PM
maxing greg monroe ... I am feeling a bit queasy
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/16/2014  3:46 PM
For all we know, MOnroe is backchanneled enroute. He gets his opt out that makes him whole for that 5th year. If phil thinks this is his guy, and can pair him with a OK4 at the PF you have a beastly front court!!!

The back court need work!!!!
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12/16/2014  3:47 PM
We might be able to revamp the backcourt by trading Melo
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12/16/2014  3:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2014  3:51 PM
mreinman wrote:maxing greg monroe ... I am feeling a bit queasy

Are you in the same zip code as Flu Tyson

Maxing out Greg Monroe, if Phil does this


All I ask is for him to take his mask off and reveal Isiah Thomas

Is still shot callin big ballin


Oh and I know you're bubble guts thinking about it

Because Greg doesn't shoot any 3s either
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12/16/2014  4:19 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:It's going to take a lot of good decisions for Phil to just get us back to the .450 team he inherited.

What would you like to see him do? What free agents/ trades/ drafts do you think are realistic?
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12/16/2014  4:46 PM
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:maxing greg monroe ... I am feeling a bit queasy

Are you in the same zip code as Flu Tyson

Maxing out Greg Monroe, if Phil does this


All I ask is for him to take his mask off and reveal Isiah Thomas

Is still shot callin big ballin


Oh and I know you're bubble guts thinking about it

Because Greg doesn't shoot any 3s either

is there an explanator that I can run your posts through? Cause half the time I have no freakin clue what you're sayin

And yes, I would rather a stretch 4 like Love and Bosh (and LA if he starts shooting more 3's which he will/is)

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/16/2014  5:23 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:It's going to take a lot of good decisions for Phil to just get us back to the .450 team he inherited.

If we get Ok4 we immediately become a 50 win team with Carmelo and additives. If we have that kind of luck the next moves become easier. We need short and long term help everywhere But with a foundation of Ok4 and melo-we become a top 3 team in the east over night.

The Knicks have been a "quick fix" type team. That leads to the issues we have had and will continue to have. We need a fresh perspective--a new avenue --some thinking outside the box more analytical thought towards the construction of the team--but most of all we need to put ourselves into position to have the best chance at a lucky night.

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12/16/2014  5:38 PM
Looks like Phil will be targeting bigs

Judging by his Twitter account


https://twitter.com/PhilJackson11
BRIGGS
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12/16/2014  10:04 PM
F500ONE wrote:Looks like Phil will be targeting bigs

Judging by his Twitter account


https://twitter.com/PhilJackson11

We have more holes than C. We need to rebuild PG SG PF and C. That is why I advocate aggressive behavior towards this draft. No way we can BUY/Trade our way out of this hole.

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12/16/2014  10:16 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Looks like Phil will be targeting bigs

Judging by his Twitter account


https://twitter.com/PhilJackson11

We have more holes than C. We need to rebuild PG SG PF and C. That is why I advocate aggressive behavior towards this draft. No way we can BUY/Trade our way out of this hole.

Holes? The whole team is a giant hole.

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12/16/2014  10:19 PM
Splat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
F500ONE wrote:Looks like Phil will be targeting bigs

Judging by his Twitter account


https://twitter.com/PhilJackson11

We have more holes than C. We need to rebuild PG SG PF and C. That is why I advocate aggressive behavior towards this draft. No way we can BUY/Trade our way out of this hole.

Holes? The whole team is a giant hole.

a vagina monologue

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/16/2014  11:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
codeunknown wrote:Grant I think is more of an asset as a playmaking 2, rather than a 1, where he'll struggle to guard somewhat. To me, potential limited by being in between positions without an outstanding skill set. Heady player. I'd take him 20-30.

Yeah, I think Grant is second rounder. I think he can be a Brian Shaw type, but I could also see him struggling like Marcy Collins. He's good athlete, but he's overwhelmingly explosive like Wiggins, or even Shump.

Grant is going to go round 1. Both of these guards lead in PER by a long range in CBB and I dont see a reversal coming anytime soon. Delon Wright to me is the best defensive guard in CBB and a version of Rajon Rondo--but with a higher ceiling as he is 6-5 and has a nice stroke. Jerian is the kind of guy you dont jump out of your seat and say that guy can jump--but he's nearly 6-5 and makes all of the basketball plays you need and hes a high quality 3 pt shooter. In the triangle--the PG does not have to be pure but both of these guys slant more to 1 than 2 as playmakers. Their collective basketball IQ is off the charts(something we have not looked at in the past) and each puts up big numbers with high level efficiency i.e FG% assist to TO ratio. These guys jump off the analytical charts. These are both big winners 4 year degrees leading winning teams great size for position athletic have pedigree long armed good defenders rebounders ballhandlers. These guys are players and together could be a tandem that leads teams to championships.

Agree that Grant will go in the low 1st round. I don't agree his best position will be at the 1 because of defensive issues; however, his decision making offers versatility. I'm higher on Wright, who I think should go 10-20.

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