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F500ONE
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12/15/2014  12:28 PM
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

Bargs will not see the light of day 2014-2015

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12/15/2014  12:36 PM
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

Bargs will not see the light of day 2014-2015

I think that is his primary goal

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/15/2014  1:05 PM
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

Bargs will not see the light of day 2014-2015

Bargnani hasn't seen the light of day for 16 months now. It has gotten so bad, he is presently on life support with only a Vitamin D I.V. drip keeping him from slipping into a permanent vegetative state. Some will debate whether that would even be considered a transition since it could be reasonably asserted he has been in a coma for years.

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12/15/2014  1:46 PM
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

....weren't you one of those guys lauding Bargs?

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12/15/2014  1:48 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

....weren't you one of those guys lauding Bargs?

of course!

I am always for bringing in horribly inefficient players who are making a sh1t load of money in exchange for our depreciated first round picks.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/15/2014  1:58 PM
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NardDogNation wrote:Stephenson might be had for an expirer. I'd personally make the move but don't think that we should be looking to win this season. And I'd need Cody Zeller or Bismack Biyombo as insurance for the deal. Neither are anything great but they are prospects that may get better down the road. That seems like a reasonable request with Indiana demanding a first round pick.

This might be one of the buy low trades an organization takes a risk on. The problem is the knicks would need to unload JR and I'm not sure Charlotte would do it. The guy is still rebounding and passing like a champ. If they the Hornets would take an injured JR I would do it for Lance and a second, ideally two one 2015 and one future pick.

Yeah, we'd have a knucklehead too many if we acquired Stephenson and kept JR. I can't see the Hornets taking JR though. As much as he can be an effective spot-up shooter (thank you for pointing that out before), I think it is a safe bet that everyone considers him to be a net negative asset at the moment. Stephenson may not be too far behind in that regard but he at least rebounds and assists like you say. And for all the disparagement he gets, Lance can play within himself and a system well enough to positively contribute to a contender (i.e. Indiana). I don't know if the same can be said about JR, who is more of a freelancer and freespirit.

That being said, I think that I'd look to move Calderon and Iman for Lance. We get rid of Calderon's long-term deal and avoid having to do something about Iman in free agency, which are net pluses for us. Neither guy will redefine a team but they can at least space the floor for the Hornets, while Iman can replace some of the defense they'd be losing from Stephenson.

We'd need to figure out what to do about JR but maybe it might be beneficial to keep him around in the short-term and allow his and Stephenson's knuckleheadedness to run rampant. Like I said before, we need to lose games and that is something JR has shown he can help us do well. Once the offseason rolls around, we might be able to dump JR and $3 million cash on one of the dozen or more teams expected to have cap space.

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12/15/2014  2:00 PM
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F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

Bargs will not see the light of day 2014-2015

Bargnani hasn't seen the light of day for 16 months now. It has gotten so bad, he is presently on life support with only a Vitamin D I.V. drip keeping him from slipping into a permanent vegetative state. Some will debate whether that would even be considered a transition since it could be reasonably asserted he has been in a coma for years.

Well this is what someone came up with upon his arrival


Carmelo Anthony hopes newly acquired Knick Andrea Bargnani comes into the season with a new attitude and renewed fire.

Speaking at his basketball camp at Queens College Saturday, Anthony lamented losing key teammates from last season's 54-28 squad but said getting Bargnani was a "steal." He's convinced the Knicks will be better.
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"I hate to lose [Steve] Novak and [Marcus] Camby,'' he said, "but when you get someone like [Bargnani] in return, it's kind of a win-win situation."


The 7-foot forward, the No. 1 overall pick of the Toronto Raptors in 2006, averaged 12.7 points and 3.7 rebounds last season. It was his lowest point total since he averaged 10.2 points per game in 2007-08. "Hopefully, Bargnani will want to come in and prove something, come in with a chip on his shoulder and be ready to rock," Anthony said.

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- The Knicks have scrimmaged twice during training camp, so it's too early to make any broad statements about lineups or personnel combinations.

But so far, Mike Woodson likes what he sees from the Andrea Bargnani-Carmelo Anthony pairing."It’s looking good," Woodson said on Sunday. "I don’t know who’s going to start yet. But I like the makeup of Andrea and Melo on the floor at the same time with Tyson [Chandler]. In the scrimmage we worked that combination. It wasn’t bad."

Anthony and Bargnani, the Knicks' biggest offseason acquisition, have spent the past seven practices getting used to one another on the court.

"Me and 'B' had a great week, just playing together, spacing it out on the court, me trying to learn from him, him trying to learn from me, trying to see what spots he likes out there on the basketball court," Anthony said. "For the most part, he's actually a smart player; he can play off people."


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12/15/2014  2:04 PM
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NardDogNation wrote:Stephenson might be had for an expirer. I'd personally make the move but don't think that we should be looking to win this season. And I'd need Cody Zeller or Bismack Biyombo as insurance for the deal. Neither are anything great but they are prospects that may get better down the road. That seems like a reasonable request with Indiana demanding a first round pick.

I would trade for Stevenson immediately. We may not want to win now to hp secure a high draft pick, but we still need to have talent on the roster to help advance our cause faster. Stephenson can be groomed into the tall POint forward that Phil likes in the triangle. He is a two-way player. One who can be a studs with the proper titullage.

That's my thinking. He's a moron....but his talent is undeniable and his stupidity does not necessarily interfere with his on-court play, as it does with a JR Smith type. At $9 million for next season, I'd roll the dice on him and see what happens. Chances are that we won't be able to get anything better at the 2 spot anyway.

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12/15/2014  2:06 PM
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Splat wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

Bargs will not see the light of day 2014-2015

Bargnani hasn't seen the light of day for 16 months now. It has gotten so bad, he is presently on life support with only a Vitamin D I.V. drip keeping him from slipping into a permanent vegetative state. Some will debate whether that would even be considered a transition since it could be reasonably asserted he has been in a coma for years.

Well this is what someone came up with upon his arrival


Carmelo Anthony hopes newly acquired Knick Andrea Bargnani comes into the season with a new attitude and renewed fire.

Speaking at his basketball camp at Queens College Saturday, Anthony lamented losing key teammates from last season's 54-28 squad but said getting Bargnani was a "steal." He's convinced the Knicks will be better.
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"I hate to lose [Steve] Novak and [Marcus] Camby,'' he said, "but when you get someone like [Bargnani] in return, it's kind of a win-win situation."


The 7-foot forward, the No. 1 overall pick of the Toronto Raptors in 2006, averaged 12.7 points and 3.7 rebounds last season. It was his lowest point total since he averaged 10.2 points per game in 2007-08. "Hopefully, Bargnani will want to come in and prove something, come in with a chip on his shoulder and be ready to rock," Anthony said.

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- The Knicks have scrimmaged twice during training camp, so it's too early to make any broad statements about lineups or personnel combinations.

But so far, Mike Woodson likes what he sees from the Andrea Bargnani-Carmelo Anthony pairing."It’s looking good," Woodson said on Sunday. "I don’t know who’s going to start yet. But I like the makeup of Andrea and Melo on the floor at the same time with Tyson [Chandler]. In the scrimmage we worked that combination. It wasn’t bad."

Anthony and Bargnani, the Knicks' biggest offseason acquisition, have spent the past seven practices getting used to one another on the court.

"Me and 'B' had a great week, just playing together, spacing it out on the court, me trying to learn from him, him trying to learn from me, trying to see what spots he likes out there on the basketball court," Anthony said. "For the most part, he's actually a smart player; he can play off people."


So was Melo suppose to be honest and say that Bargnani sucks to the media? Why? So you could spend 3 pages of a thread bitching about how unprofessional he is, like he supposedly was with Jeremy Lin? Alright, TKF.

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12/15/2014  2:09 PM
This is a lost season. I am happy to tank and get a guaranteed shot to pick 1 to 4 in this coming draft. Our roster after this season looks like this,,

Melo
Calderon
JR Smith - Hopefully he opts out.
Shumpert - Has a qualifying offer
Pablo
THJr
Early
Wear
Acy
Thanasis - Hopefully he is signed for next year.

My goal would be to trade Calderon and Smith for expiring contracts.

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12/15/2014  2:33 PM
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12/15/2014  2:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/15/2014  2:52 PM
Would anyone move our 2015 pick during the offseason for Paul George, Roy Hibbert and a pick swap? lol.

I'm mostly joking but if the prospects of a Lance Stephenson- (healthy) Paul-George-Carmelo Anthony trio with Roy Hibbert manning the middle doesn't get you a bit intrigued, you don't love NBA basketball.

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12/15/2014  2:58 PM
I would take a chance on Lance- IF we can shift JR's or Calderons salary in the process.

Also, in reply to the original poster: we can add talent by losing as many games as we can and getting a top pick. No one is going to trade talent to us for fun- it'll either be a bad contract or to unload a difficult chemistry guy (e.g. Lance).

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12/15/2014  3:01 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Would anyone move our 2015 pick during the offseason for Paul George, Roy Hibbert and a pick swap? lol.

Maybe anyone not employed by the Pacers organisation

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12/15/2014  3:17 PM
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NardDogNation wrote:Would anyone move our 2015 pick during the offseason for Paul George, Roy Hibbert and a pick swap? lol.

Maybe anyone not employed by the Pacers organisation

If George comes back close to what he was, that would be one hell of a lineup. I don't think he'd ever fulfill his potential but I do think he can be an all-star in the same vein as the Houston Tracy McGrady instead of the Orlando Tracy McGrady.

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12/15/2014  3:30 PM
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mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

....weren't you one of those guys lauding Bargs?

were you for the bargs trade?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/15/2014  3:33 PM
Well, it's the 15th Dec- looking like no trades are in the horizon. JR and Shumps injuries are both horrifically timed.
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12/15/2014  3:36 PM
I think sooner or later we start limiting Melo's minutes and even shut him down. We need to play Hardaway as much as possible to see where he fits in the future plans. Shumpert being injured might actually be a good thing, as it may enables us to sing him to a decent deal next season. Top 4 pick is extremely important, especially with average players getting contracts starting at 10MM.

Rondo and LA with a big in the draft would be a pretty amazing summer.

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12/15/2014  3:41 PM
mreinman wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
mreinman wrote:be honest ... were you one of the guys who was for the bargs trade?

there were many of them on this site though they are hiding.

....weren't you one of those guys lauding Bargs?

were you for the bargs trade?

I had nothing against Bargs but I hated the fact that we gave up picks to get it done though. At the time though, I was routinely criticized for not seeing the light, which involved us dumping Novak's 2015 salary and getting a guy who could be the new Rasheed Wallace. Flash-forward a year and Bargnani is even more injury prone than Rasheed was and Steve Novak was dumped on the Jazz using our own 2nd round pick as a sweetner. And I was criticized again for pointing the latter fact out.

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12/15/2014  3:42 PM
smackeddog wrote:Well, it's the 15th Dec- looking like no trades are in the horizon. JR and Shumps injuries are both horrifically timed.

Unfortunately they operate on C.P. time, lol.

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