StarksEwing1 wrote:

helloharv wrote:NY was Starving for a Superstar and now you want to trade him? How about we get Legit players to HELP us win.

i wouldnt say he is a superstar, he is a great scorer who has flaws in other parts of the game. This is coming from someone who likes melo. Lebron is a superstar and even anthony davis is a budding superstar

Melo is the guy you add at the end of a rebuild. You don't build around him which is a doomed premise from the get-go. Melo's primary value is scoring punch added to an otherwise high functioning and competent team. Melo is not a highly competent basketball player and he's a pea brain, but he sure can shoot. Chicago was his only real option to be utilized reasonably well, but money talks.

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

helloharv wrote:NY was Starving for a Superstar and now you want to trade him? How about we get Legit players to HELP us win.

i wouldnt say he is a superstar, he is a great scorer who has flaws in other parts of the game. This is coming from someone who likes melo. Lebron is a superstar and even anthony davis is a budding superstar

Melo is the guy you add at the end of a rebuild. You don't build around him which is a doomed premise from the get-go. Melo's primary value is scoring punch added to an otherwise high functioning and competent team. Melo is not a highly competent basketball player and he's a pea brain, but he sure can shoot. Chicago was his only real option to be utilized reasonably well, but money talks.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

helloharv wrote:NY was Starving for a Superstar and now you want to trade him? How about we get Legit players to HELP us win.

i wouldnt say he is a superstar, he is a great scorer who has flaws in other parts of the game. This is coming from someone who likes melo. Lebron is a superstar and even anthony davis is a budding superstar

Melo is the guy you add at the end of a rebuild. You don't build around him which is a doomed premise from the get-go. Melo's primary value is scoring punch added to an otherwise high functioning and competent team. Melo is not a highly competent basketball player and he's a pea brain, but he sure can shoot. Chicago was his only real option to be utilized reasonably well, but money talks.

agreed. Melo is the perfect 2nd guy who can provide the scoring he just cant be the main guy

SwishAndDish13 wrote:
Juice for what? What could we possibly get back in terms of fair value that doesn't set the franchise further back? We are tanking. The roster stinks. There will be a full house cleaning in the off-season. Until then, embrace the tank.

Juice for moving Melo. Old Dolan would step in and prevent that from happening. The question is if Old Dolan is truly gone.

Knicks1969 wrote:Trade Carmelo? Seriously? Carmelo is not perfect, but he is a commodity. Surround him with the right cast of players and he will be successful. Rebounders: because he will take a lot of shots; defenders: because he is a part time defender; shooters: because he needs floor stretchers to give him space to operate. Too easy.

What is this, Melo's 12th year? Twelve years! He's been surrounded by all sorts. The point is that Melo DOES NOT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS. He must have missed school the day they taught that lesson. And we can't expect him to change his ways and become a team-first player. Phil knows this. His teammates know this.

stanleybostitch wrote:

Dagger wrote:"Trade Melo for a bag of peanuts"? If we ship out Melo because we cannot make it work with him then what kind of message will that send out to other stars we will eventually have to recruit? Or do you want to pretend that a team of role players and "hard workers" alone will ever compete with the top teams in the league?

Just ship Melo out for nothing, value be damned, because that's clearly a very smart way to handle the situation...

Just like Dolan, some here let emotion cloud their thinking.

Being hyperbolic about the peanuts. The point is this - sometimes you can effect addition by subtraction. Recall Knicks + Lin (minus Melo)=exciting as hell! What would current Knicks - Melo do? I bet they wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are currently, and you would see players like Shump and Hardaway thrive.

CrushAlot wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:

Dagger wrote:"Trade Melo for a bag of peanuts"? If we ship out Melo because we cannot make it work with him then what kind of message will that send out to other stars we will eventually have to recruit? Or do you want to pretend that a team of role players and "hard workers" alone will ever compete with the top teams in the league?

Just ship Melo out for nothing, value be damned, because that's clearly a very smart way to handle the situation...

Just like Dolan, some here let emotion cloud their thinking.

Being hyperbolic about the peanuts. The point is this - sometimes you can effect addition by subtraction. Recall Knicks + Lin (minus Melo)=exciting as hell! What would current Knicks - Melo do? I bet they wouldn't be nearly as bad as they are currently, and you would see players like Shump and Hardaway thrive.

The Lin stuff was very exciting but it wasn't sustainable. You only get lucky with a run of the worst teams in the league on your schedule once a year maybe. And Lin has been ok since he left but he hasn't been the player that was so magical for those seven games. Teams adjust to players and the schedule rarely is as favorable as it was that February. I am pretty much sold on Shump not becoming much but I try to keep an open mind and I was thrilled with his first twelve games. I don't know about Hardaway but he is the one guy that might be able to become something on the current roster in my opinion. Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

What? He won a scoring title. Big deal.

agreed not sure what he is refering to. I mean the 90s knicks did much more than since melo has been here.

It was a weird statement. I think Crush may reflect on that and change his tune.

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

What? He won a scoring title. Big deal.

agreed not sure what he is refering to. I mean the 90s knicks did much more than since melo has been here.

It was a weird statement. I think Crush may reflect on that and change his tune.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

What? He won a scoring title. Big deal.

agreed not sure what he is refering to. I mean the 90s knicks did much more than since melo has been here.

It was a weird statement. I think Crush may reflect on that and change his tune.

i give melo part credit for the 54 win season but tyson and even jr smith were just as important along with some veterans.

Considering that was a bogus team, I'd hardly say that was some kind of crowning achievement in decades. JR and Tyson vaporized in the playoffs and Melo did too. His shoulder was bad or so they say. That team was pure bullchit.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:
Melo has already done things in NY with the KNicks that hadn't been done in decades. He is too good not to keep around in my opinion.

What? He won a scoring title. Big deal.

agreed not sure what he is refering to. I mean the 90s knicks did much more than since melo has been here.

It was a weird statement. I think Crush may reflect on that and change his tune.

i give melo part credit for the 54 win season but tyson and even jr smith were just as important along with some veterans.

Considering that was a bogus team, I'd hardly say that was some kind of crowning achievement in decades. JR and Tyson vaporized in the playoffs and Melo did too. His shoulder was bad or so they say. That team was pure bullchit.

they got off to a great 3—0 start then They packed it in. Jr smith of course ruined his whole breakout year with one dumb play

It was more than his suspension. After he came back from it, JR gave one of the worst playoff performances of all time. John Starks got ripped for one bad game. JR did it game after game after game.

And Woodson let him. While everyone was screaming "Play Copeland"!

It was a travesty.