Frankie needs to impove his jumper. It is the ONLY thing sepearting him from the bench and being a 18/10/5 PG in the NBA.

I don't know about the 10 assists per game. NO PG in the NBA averaged that many assists per game this year--not Kidd, not Marbury, not Davis. And regardless of Frank's jump shot, he's not half the passer those players are.

Posted by s3231:

Baker will probably be resigned for the LLE. He has already said that the Knicks will have the first shot to sign him so its all up to Isiah.

I think (and hope) that DerMarr will be more likely to be signed for the LLE.

Um, let's not get crazy here. An 18/10/5 PG is BETTER than Jason Kidd, the best PG in the NBA. At best I see Williams becoming a 12/6 type guy off the bench, good scorer, good assist guy, not the best player in the NBA.

exactly; that's basically the same idea I tried to express too. 12/6 with good defense seems like a reasonable goal

The Knicks don't have Bird Rights for DerMarr or Vin because they were not on the team for at least three years. (Note that Bird rights are transferred during trades; so, when a player like Rasheed was with a team for more than 3 years and then traded, the new team--the Pistons--get his Bird rights.)

Maybe 10 assists is an over estimation, I will give you that, but with his ability to drive and get to the line, added to a better jump shot, he can get 18 a game, IMHO. As a starter last year he was getting 12/5 in 25 mpg, why not 18/8 in 35? More confidence, more familiarity with the league....I think that much of his game. He has what it takes, toughness.

In addition, the outside shot would allow him to be used at the 2 in some situations if needed, although Marbs shoud always play the 2 if both are in the game.

Add a Crawford to a backcourt of FWill and Marbury and you have a POTENT 3 headed monster. Allan Who? Get him healthy and you are then in the position to amke a good deal.

As for any deal for Marbury, FWill would be the reason to make it. Having him allows you to trade Stephon for a Kobe if by some frozen chance in Hell, you get one.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Frankie needs to impove his jumper. It is the ONLY thing sepearting him from the bench and being a 18/10/5 PG in the NBA.

I don't know about the 10 assists per game. NO PG in the NBA averaged that many assists per game this year--not Kidd, not Marbury, not Davis. And regardless of Frank's jump shot, he's not half the passer those players are.

Trade Frank if he or, better yet, he and package gets you equal value at a position of greater need ... starting center, starting pf, backup sg. If can't get equal value, keep him and play him at least 20 mins a game so he keeps getting better.

Equal value is a young, heady, player with heart who's proven he's ready for 20 plus mins a game, and is a decent bet to be an NBA starter before he's through, perhaps even a star.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by bernard:

Trade Frank if he or, better yet, he and package gets you equal value at a position of greater need ... starting center, starting pf, backup sg. If can't get equal value, keep him and play him at least 20 mins a game so he keeps getting better.

That's exactly how I feel

yeah that is what we all feel.

I can see Frank becoming a Derek Harper type. Frank has a confidence issue. Compare year one to year two and it's like night and day.

I expect him to cross the line to back-up point guard this year and he will make it hard on Lenny to not find 20-25 mins for him a game.

18 points per game is not something totally off the wall. Ten assists is(geez!). Frank and Marbury have the size not to screw up the defense. I never seen anyone abuse either player in a post-up situation.

If we stand pat I wouldn't mind but if the Knicks can trade KT and Shandon and the only way it works is if Frank is included....then I'll catch him on League Pass.

Frank became my favorite Knick this year, but he is not an untouchable by any stretch. If a deal makes the team better for both now and the future, it has to be done. Same thing with Marbury.

Oh, and Moochie sucks. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously is comparing him to Eisley. (who I actually think is better)

[Edited by - nykdunk on 06/12/2004 11:50:54]

Posted by MaTT4281:

Posted by raven:

frank has an attitude, he doesn't back down.

that doesn't show on stat sheet.

im especially happy he didnt take any crap from kidd this postseason

i agree, he does bring toughness

Posted by Bonn1997:

I agree he brings a lot of toughness for about 9 mpg.

That's all we were able to give him. heck, imagine the same series if he were given shandon's minutes.
Don't you think it would have been better ?
Don't you think he could be inserted in the 3 guards rotation we've been waiting.