F500ONE wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I dont want to use multiple cap space years on just anyone because we ahve it---hopefully they dont panic and do that.

Uhhh it didn't take Berman for us

All to come to this realization

Memphis success is only saving us from ourselves

Maxed out Gasol and Melo get you nowhere

Agree 100%

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016

I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!

I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.

Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.

Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.

I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.

I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.

I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.

You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016

I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!

I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.

Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.

Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.

I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.

I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.

I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.

You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.

Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.

Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?

By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:

It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.

I'm now terrified.

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016

I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!

I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.

Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.

Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.

I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.

I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.

I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.

You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.

Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.

Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?

By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:

It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.

I'm now terrified.

If that was their thinking looking at this squad

And not paying attention to what both free agents

Have gone on record saying in the press the past year

Then most certainly we should all be more terrified

We never had a shot at Gasol-Love-Aldridge period

No matter if we squeaked into the playoffs

I think the reasonable man on the inside of the fan

Knows our plan is pretty flawed as currently constructed

And it started with the re-inking of Carmelo

When the Knicks were once freed from his bondage of contract

Phil is like a Modern Day Moses leading the Isrealites

Not to the Promise Land but instead back to Egypt

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016

I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!

I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.

Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.

Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.

I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.

I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.

I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.

You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.

Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.

Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?

By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:

It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.

I'm now terrified.

Good question. I doubt 2015 is going to be a big splash, which may actually be beneficial for us in the long run. It could give us the opportunity to frontload the contracts of new signees, while maximizing cap space for the future. That could allow us to get our ducks in a row and quickly stack the team with talent. Personally, I'd start Reggie Jackson off at $14 million if I could but would only pay him $6-$7 million per for the remaining 2 seasons.

But I am chilled to hear that we are trying to win this season. Maybe it's nothing more than a ploy to keep Dolan away and Knick fans off management's back but that would be monumentally stupid if it wasn't the case. I'm worried that they might trade the pick on draft night if they are truly that short-sighted.

VCoug wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Didn't Phil say he was going to look at getting two impact players in free agency? The team needs a lot. Seems like sustainable success might be achieved by using the cap space on a couple of players or retaining some space for 2016

I'm sure people will be lining up to join our .190 team!

I think Phil is looking for a Houston, Childs, LJ makeover. Not sure if that is possible and it wouldn't be the first time players have used tge Knicks as a tool to get more money if you think NYC is going to be seen as an undesireable place. Hopefully Phil can make it work.

Oh I'm sure we could badly overpay for guys but that's never a good idea.

Looking over the 2015 free agents I think a best case, realistic scenario is maxing out either Jimmy Butler Reggie Jackson and andsing the rest of our space on maybe Tobias Harris. Our starting lineup for the next season would be Calderon-Butler-Harris-Melo-lottery big man X.

I doubt Jackson gets the max but Butler will. Chicago won't let Butler go they will play him like they did Deng because they know that his is a trade asset because of his defense regardless if his offense goes into the tank.

I would love that line up though. 4 players on the floor that can shoot, score, and dribble. $ players that can run the weak side PnR.

I have no interest in Jackson at the price he'd command. Butler is a really tough call. He's always been good but he raised his game so much in a contract year. If he keeps this up all season, I'd take the max contract gamble on him.

You think Jackson will command that much? I see him in the Lance Stephenson range because he was not able to shoot that well as a starter. Everything else was great though.

Well, I wouldn't want him for more than $8 or 9 mil per.

Me neither but who else are we going to be able to give our cap space to?

By the way, I just read the full Berman article and saw this:

It’s why Knicks management believes tanking is not an option and having a good record, a playoff team and Carmelo Anthony are keys to convincing 2015 free agents — such as LaMarcus Aldridge or Kevin Love — to sign with the team.

I'm now terrified.

Good question. I doubt 2015 is going to be a big splash, which may actually be beneficial for us in the long run. It could give us the opportunity to frontload the contracts of new signees, while maximizing cap space for the future. That could allow us to get our ducks in a row and quickly stack the team with talent. Personally, I'd start Reggie Jackson off at $14 million if I could but would only pay him $6-$7 million per for the remaining 2 seasons.

Can't do that except in certain particular circumstances. When a free agent changes teams they're only allowed to increase or decrease each year's salary by 4.5% of the first year salary. So, if we signed Jackson to a contract starting at $14M we could only decrease his contract by $630k each season.

NardDogNation wrote:But I am chilled to hear that we are trying to win this season. Maybe it's nothing more than a ploy to keep Dolan away and Knick fans off management's back but that would be monumentally stupid if it wasn't the case. I'm worried that they might trade the pick on draft night if they are truly that short-sighted.

The idea of trading our 1st round pick is going to give me nightmares.

So the concept of frontloading contracts is over with? I hate this new CBA! I'm not sure which idiot thought it would be a good idea to severely handicap flagship franchises this badly but they deserve to be fired.

Don't even want to go near him at that price

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Mark Gasol is a smart dude, he will gave much better options then the Knicks. Here is a question to all of you: what is his current team's record??? And what is our record?

Teams that win usually don't draft high or have big cap space. Most winning teams can orchestrate sign and trade but its a trade.
A free agent can have a big impact.

Franchise players usually resign. New GM, New coach, Cap space, Draft a stud.........and a prolific scorer already in place can be attractive.

What was miami's record the year before Bosh and Lebron joined? We very bad. they were tanking and letting expirings expire.

Knicks1969 wrote:We r now the new UTAH. No FA wants to come to NY folks. Why would they?????? Lamarcus, Gasol, or other big names will not want to come to NY

You sound very familiar?

So your angry if the stars don't come?
Don't knock Utah, I'm gonna guess their record the last 20 years better than ours!

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:We r now the new UTAH. No FA wants to come to NY folks. Why would they?????? Lamarcus, Gasol, or other big names will not want to come to NY

You sound very familiar?

So your angry if the stars don't come?
Don't knock Utah, I'm gonna guess their record the last 20 years better than ours!

Dude.....the Utah comparison is because FAs just refuse to go there. Not because Utah is a bad organization. As for star power, as long as that star is a two way player like Gasol, I am fine