SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Keep in mind the .450 win team played closer to a .250 team

The majority of last season, you could .450 was flukish

How does a .450 team play like a .250 team? Did the score-keepers make a lot of mistakes?

Haha. They actually lost a crazy amount of 1 possession games, so this really could have been higher. I would prefer .250 to .450. .450 is the worst thing you can do in this league.

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Melo's endorsement deals may include a minimum "games played" and "minutes played" clause. Can't imagine Jordan brand paying top dollar for a dude not living up to his marketing hype.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Doesn't matter if they are trying to lose on purpose or not. They aren't good enough to win consistently.

You would be the first person to be upset that the Knicks are stuck in mediocrity winning enough games to make the playoffs but not enough playoff games to contend. So here we are actually sucking really bad with our lotto pick in hand, regardless if on purpose or not. And you seem more driven to write Tyson Chandler secret love notes.

Unless Phil Jackson makes short sighted season saving type trade that ruins our chances at a high lotto pick or gives up future assets. Then dropping down from 450 to 250 is the best case scenario for the long term regardless if its on purpose or not.

That's not remotely true. I've been saying I'd like to have explored trading Tyson in a worthwhile deal before the deadline. A top pick with bad decision-makers is a good way to stay stuck in mediocrity actually.

That thought has crossed my mind and blanketed my optimism of the pick. It's one of the major reasons why I want us to get one of the top 3 picks this year, who are bullet proof talents. But even then, I wonder if this team has the resources to properly develop young talent, especially with things that extend beyond basketball. Once upon a time, Michael Beasley and Derrick Williams were looked at as can't miss prospects. Now look at them!

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:None of the above.

Okafor and Townes.

I don't get it. Are you saying the team is trying to lose? That's certainly not the case.

would you say this team has been coached with the goal of winning as many games as possible early on?

Yes, I can't see why else Melo would be playing upper 30s MPG (not counting the game he left early) and not getting any real time to recover from injuries. When you have a bunch of D league players, of course all the rotation changes will look bad. I think you're just trying to put a positive spin on a nightmare roster.

Melo's endorsement deals may include a minimum "games played" and "minutes played" clause. Can't imagine Jordan brand paying top dollar for a dude not living up to his marketing hype.

I doubt that's even allowed. I don't think you can give someone a contract that mandates or puts in qualifications about how some other employer will use your services.

They might not be able to terminate the contract outright on those grounds but they may have provisions in there that are presented as "bonuses". So Melo might have his base money with his endorsements and gets "bonus" money if certain conditions are met. I don't think this would be unusual because we hear of players getting bonuses for playing in certain markets. I think Dwight Howard was one of those guys, as was LeBron when he left the Cavs.

I am starting to see that the Knicks are sanguine about the prospects of having a top draft pick, so they don't freak out about the losses piling up. And neither do most of us. It's nice to be unstressed and hopeful for the rebuilding plan.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I don't even think it had to do with bonuses. If Melo misses games he becomes less attractive to sponsors.

+1 - I was actually furious he came back so quick. He is gonna run himself into the group. he needs to sit.

F500ONE wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Keep in mind the .450 win team played closer to a .250 team

The majority of last season, you could .450 was flukish

How does a .450 team play like a .250 team? Did the score-keepers make a lot of mistakes?

Well Bonn real simple the .450 team

Went on a "who gave a rat ass season ending 16-7 streak" last yr

The majority of the season they played like a .300

Team which is closer to .250

Not much of the core changed the parts that did

Haven't received any significant amount of minutes

Thus remained that .300 winning pace core throughout 60gms last yr

The league got significantly better than us hence .300 drops to .250

And if we're going to bring up close losses

Hasn't this same .250 win team been involved in several already

Usually that's how it works bad teams find ways to lose close games

And/or get blown out for the duration of them

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:Keep in mind the .450 win team played closer to a .250 team

The majority of last season, you could .450 was flukish

How does a .450 team play like a .250 team? Did the score-keepers make a lot of mistakes?

Haha. They actually lost a crazy amount of 1 possession games, so this really could have been higher. I would prefer .250 to .450. .450 is the worst thing you can do in this league.

Then we should have traded Tyson for something worthwhile long-term, not for players whose abilities keep us stuck at the .250 level anyway.
And we should have traded Melo last year.

I suppose the figured it was the only way to shed Felton. Plus they liked the picks and Larkin in the deal. People can say what they want about Melo, but the league doesn't have too many players of his caliber so my guess is they figured keep him, tank 1 yr, scrap the rest. If they manage his minutes, this makes sense. If not, I'm lost.

fisher did a bad job as the player rep last lockout.

there is nobody on the court to lead.

and the triangle is a sham.

just hope you guys make the right pick in the draft or it's another wasted year.

F500ONE wrote:The games that Tyson and Melo actually played in 2013-2014

Knicks record was 22 and 28 winning % .440

In games that Tyson played regardless of who was injured

Knicks record was 23 and 31 winning % .425

I know you are bias to Tyson but let's do a better job

At presenting facts since this board tends to go Sabermtric Centric often