I agree that Fisher has not gotten the most out of this roster.

I think the bigger question is what the f happened to this roster from the 54 win season? And the year prior?

10 more days to the 15th. I have to assume players are going to be traded.

Where the F is Bargnani? He's worse than Eddy Curry and Jerome James. At least you knew where they were.

franco12 wrote:If we had won last night, we would have matched last season's record after 20 games.

I agree that Fisher has not gotten the most out of this roster.

I think the bigger question is what the f happened to this roster from the 54 win season? And the year prior?

10 more days to the 15th. I have to assume players are going to be traded.

Where the F is Bargnani? He's worse than Eddy Curry and Jerome James. At least you knew where they were.

Vmart wrote:I want to thank Fisher for doing what MDA,Woodson and others before him should have done. Give the Knicks a chance for a franchise player through the draft. It bothers me to see my fellow NYK fans not understanding what is at stake here. While having the worst record does not guarantee a top pick it does give you an opportunity to get at least the 4th pick. This season is about roster and what it will be in the future.

I watch the games I see the moves. I see where it is going and I am happy as a dog right now. I have Fisher to thank for that. There are going to be fans that want the empty meaningless wins. They are going to pressure Fisher to win some useless games and ruin chances to better themselves. That is why I would suggest everyone to sit back and relax. There are really good things happening with the Knicks.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I want to thank Fisher for doing what MDA,Woodson and others before him should have done. Give the Knicks a chance for a franchise player through the draft. It bothers me to see my fellow NYK fans not understanding what is at stake here. While having the worst record does not guarantee a top pick it does give you an opportunity to get at least the 4th pick. This season is about roster and what it will be in the future.

I watch the games I see the moves. I see where it is going and I am happy as a dog right now. I have Fisher to thank for that. There are going to be fans that want the empty meaningless wins. They are going to pressure Fisher to win some useless games and ruin chances to better themselves. That is why I would suggest everyone to sit back and relax. There are really good things happening with the Knicks.

But the problem is that the same people who put together this .250 roster will be making the draft pick. What would you rather have: A really bad decision made with the 4th pick or a great decision made with the 12th pick? I'm not saying those are the certain options but too many people are treating it like it's automatically wonderful if we get a top pick.

I have faith in them to pick the right player. This roster is being manipulated to achieve goals and goals are important to get where the Knicks need to get. You look at .250 as something bad I see a plan of action right there. With FA coming and a good lottery selection gives this team an infusion of talent. I can easily see this team being a playoff contender come next year.

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I want to thank Fisher for doing what MDA,Woodson and others before him should have done. Give the Knicks a chance for a franchise player through the draft. It bothers me to see my fellow NYK fans not understanding what is at stake here. While having the worst record does not guarantee a top pick it does give you an opportunity to get at least the 4th pick. This season is about roster and what it will be in the future.

I watch the games I see the moves. I see where it is going and I am happy as a dog right now. I have Fisher to thank for that. There are going to be fans that want the empty meaningless wins. They are going to pressure Fisher to win some useless games and ruin chances to better themselves. That is why I would suggest everyone to sit back and relax. There are really good things happening with the Knicks.

But the problem is that the same people who put together this .250 roster will be making the draft pick. What would you rather have: A really bad decision made with the 4th pick or a great decision made with the 12th pick? I'm not saying those are the certain options but too many people are treating it like it's automatically wonderful if we get a top pick.

I have faith in them to pick the right player. This roster is being manipulated to achieve goals and goals are important to get where the Knicks need to get. You look at .250 as something bad I see a plan of action right there. With FA coming and a good lottery selection gives this team an infusion of talent. I can easily see this team being a playoff contender come next year.

You have faith, dude it's almost never happen. When ever this franchise has been good, it's been through trades, and FA, not through the draft, we have zero luck, it's horrible, but it's a fact.. I would like to see how Early turns out before I start pinning my hopes on the draft

Prigioni is 100yrs old maybe that's why he doesn't play much

And I agree much easier not to F up a top 14 than a top 4

gunsnewing wrote:Fisher is doing a great job. Hopefully he can keep us around .200 ball

Prigioni is 100yrs old maybe that's why he doesn't play much

And I agree much easier not to F up a top 14 than a top 4

I'm praying they stay on the full tanker course. If they make a run and end up in the 10 range they will reach for Caminski from Wisconsin and continue to stellar draft history. They would need to go above and beyond their usual draft maangement to F up the top 4.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I want to thank Fisher for doing what MDA,Woodson and others before him should have done. Give the Knicks a chance for a franchise player through the draft. It bothers me to see my fellow NYK fans not understanding what is at stake here. While having the worst record does not guarantee a top pick it does give you an opportunity to get at least the 4th pick. This season is about roster and what it will be in the future.

I watch the games I see the moves. I see where it is going and I am happy as a dog right now. I have Fisher to thank for that. There are going to be fans that want the empty meaningless wins. They are going to pressure Fisher to win some useless games and ruin chances to better themselves. That is why I would suggest everyone to sit back and relax. There are really good things happening with the Knicks.

But the problem is that the same people who put together this .250 roster will be making the draft pick. What would you rather have: A really bad decision made with the 4th pick or a great decision made with the 12th pick? I'm not saying those are the certain options but too many people are treating it like it's automatically wonderful if we get a top pick.

I have faith in them to pick the right player. This roster is being manipulated to achieve goals and goals are important to get where the Knicks need to get. You look at .250 as something bad I see a plan of action right there. With FA coming and a good lottery selection gives this team an infusion of talent. I can easily see this team being a playoff contender come next year.

You have faith, dude it's almost never happen. When ever this franchise has been good, it's been through trades, and FA, not through the draft, we have zero luck, it horrible, but it's a fact..

This is typical Knicks fans attitude towards the draft. This team has been lucky what do you think the 90s were built on Ewing. You guys don't see what our draft picks have become (Noah and Aldridge). We have a different regime in here that values the draft that's where your homegrown stars come from. Why do we Knicks fans have to view everything with skepticism, yes we have been let down a lot with stupid ass decisions made. This time quick fixes are not being made and guess what we finally broke away from that quick fix mentality. If anything we might be going for the quick broke way of fixing things.

That old method has never worked for the Knicks. It's time to go the route that is proven to work for the Knicks. Which is win the lottery.

And before we start crying over Lillard, he was an expected 2nd round pick whose value surged! New orleans had the 10th pick that year and were expecting to draft him after taking Davis 1st.

NO doubt a team can make a great pick with the 12th but the statistic of odds are you can make a better pick with the top 3. Yes, things can happen, chronic injury can occur or the guy can go on a coke bender and overdose celebrating his pick!!! Its all happend before.

There is no concensus superstar no. 1 pick yet (its early) but we are positioning our selves to be lucky.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I want to thank Fisher for doing what MDA,Woodson and others before him should have done. Give the Knicks a chance for a franchise player through the draft. It bothers me to see my fellow NYK fans not understanding what is at stake here. While having the worst record does not guarantee a top pick it does give you an opportunity to get at least the 4th pick. This season is about roster and what it will be in the future.

I watch the games I see the moves. I see where it is going and I am happy as a dog right now. I have Fisher to thank for that. There are going to be fans that want the empty meaningless wins. They are going to pressure Fisher to win some useless games and ruin chances to better themselves. That is why I would suggest everyone to sit back and relax. There are really good things happening with the Knicks.

But the problem is that the same people who put together this .250 roster will be making the draft pick. What would you rather have: A really bad decision made with the 4th pick or a great decision made with the 12th pick? I'm not saying those are the certain options but too many people are treating it like it's automatically wonderful if we get a top pick.

Wouldnt you think that your chances are higher of getting an impact player choosing in the top 3 or 4 than choosing at say 10 or 12, no matter who it is making the pick? Even picking at random Id think you would have a better shot in the top 4 than at 10 or 12. Maybe im wrong.

Sure, all else being equal, higher picks are better. "All else being equal" already contradicts my question, though. I'd much rather bring in someone with a great eyeball assessment and masterful understanding of the advanced metrics and have him drafting at 12 and responsible for all future decisions than have what we have now though.

Who understands advanced metrics better than the man with 13 rings. He has seen it all and you don't win in the NBA with out a top notch talent on your team.

He understands how to coach great rosters - no doubt. That has nothing to do with advanced metrics. A lot of those rings were from before these metrics were even developed actually!

I'm sorry Bonn but you sound very uninformed. Name a coach who doesn't win with a good roster. A coach has to know what his best team is and know what works and what doesn't. Metrics are not the be all in this league. A lot if it has to do with system and how a player is implemented in the system. Metrics don't always come into play. I think you guys with Metric are over thinking basketball. How much Metrics is Popovich doing most of his players came before implementation of metrics. How much Metrics did Pat Riley do?

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Vmart wrote:I want to thank Fisher for doing what MDA,Woodson and others before him should have done. Give the Knicks a chance for a franchise player through the draft. It bothers me to see my fellow NYK fans not understanding what is at stake here. While having the worst record does not guarantee a top pick it does give you an opportunity to get at least the 4th pick. This season is about roster and what it will be in the future.

I watch the games I see the moves. I see where it is going and I am happy as a dog right now. I have Fisher to thank for that. There are going to be fans that want the empty meaningless wins. They are going to pressure Fisher to win some useless games and ruin chances to better themselves. That is why I would suggest everyone to sit back and relax. There are really good things happening with the Knicks.

But the problem is that the same people who put together this .250 roster will be making the draft pick. What would you rather have: A really bad decision made with the 4th pick or a great decision made with the 12th pick? I'm not saying those are the certain options but too many people are treating it like it's automatically wonderful if we get a top pick.

I have faith in them to pick the right player. This roster is being manipulated to achieve goals and goals are important to get where the Knicks need to get. You look at .250 as something bad I see a plan of action right there. With FA coming and a good lottery selection gives this team an infusion of talent. I can easily see this team being a playoff contender come next year.

You have faith, dude it's almost never happen. When ever this franchise has been good, it's been through trades, and FA, not through the draft, we have zero luck, it horrible, but it's a fact..

This is typical Knicks fans attitude towards the draft. This team has been lucky what do you think the 90s were built on Ewing. You guys don't see what our draft picks have become (Noah and Aldridge). We have a different regime in here that values the draft that's where your homegrown stars come from. Why do we Knicks fans have to view everything with skepticism, yes we have been let down a lot with stupid ass decisions made. This time quick fixes are not being made and guess what we finally broke away from that quick fix mentality. If anything we might be going for the quick broke way of fixing things.

That old method has never worked for the Knicks. It's time to go the route that is proven to work for the Knicks. Which is win the lottery.

when has it been proven, once over the course of 50 yrs. We have been in the lottery 10 out of the last 15 yrs, where's the young guys we have develop.Most of them are on winning teams right now, and were headed back to the lottery..to do it all over again with a different regime, same results

so the team should avoid cost controlled means to add talent and instead stick with all the other avenues that it has failed at as well, that cost much more?