Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:we did not need him this year. winning is not the priority. Triangles and Tanks.

You mean, you wish winning wasn't a priority this year. Clearly it is if they're making Melo come back from a back injury after 2 games.

It is Melo problem not Knicks.
He has highest salary in NBA, no trade, and want to play on winning team.
Good luck to the gunner.
Not sure how long he can sustain extreme losing Phis has as a centerpiece of the first purge state of his plan.
If Melo will have enough patience he will pass the test, if not he will be gone for all sites satisfaction or play itself into injured list.

As per Tyson - he is system guy. His game depends a lot of how help defense is organized, and how offense is using him.
Woodhead was clueless on both ends and we had (and have) a bunch of dudes who only can play one-on-one at the playground.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:"with that type of play" is the key. Tyson didnt want to be here and he played that way. He's clearly invigorated in Dal.

I think the Knicks acted fairly based on what they saw last year. Maybe with a contract year we get that kind of effort, maybe we dont. Who knows. He dogged his way off the team and now he's playing like it had nothing to do him. Kinda makes me hate Tyson if anything

You're right that maybe a contract year changes things for Tyson. Maybe respect for Phil Jackson invigorates him too. Even when the team was at its worst, though, they were never around .250 when Melo and Tyson were healthy - never really even below .450.

The first two years Tyson was in NY the Knicks made the playoffs and Tyson caught the flu and was limited in the spring. His third season in NY he broke his leg and during the stretch run he missed games due to 'personal reasons'. Pretty sure he had a nasty bout with strep throat last year as well. I don't think he was ever going to do it in NY. His drama and poor off court showing last year and in the playoffs the previous year just made his leaving more of a necessity.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:"with that type of play" is the key. Tyson didnt want to be here and he played that way. He's clearly invigorated in Dal.

I think the Knicks acted fairly based on what they saw last year. Maybe with a contract year we get that kind of effort, maybe we dont. Who knows. He dogged his way off the team and now he's playing like it had nothing to do him. Kinda makes me hate Tyson if anything

You're right that maybe a contract year changes things for Tyson. Maybe respect for Phil Jackson invigorates him too. Even when the team was at its worst, though, they were never around .250 when Melo and Tyson were healthy - never really even below .450.

The first two years Tyson was in NY the Knicks made the playoffs and Tyson caught the flu and was limited in the spring. His third season in NY he broke his leg and during the stretch run he missed games due to 'personal reasons'. Pretty sure he had a nasty bout with strep throat last year as well. I don't think he was ever going to do it in NY. His drama and poor off court showing last year and in the playoffs the previous year just made his leaving more of a necessity.

Necessity? Why? What was so critical in the first month or two of the season that required trading him immediately? What positive things have happened that we would have missed out on?
You're right about the flu issue. At least now we don't have to worry about guys getting injured or sick during the playoffs.

Do you keep a guy around that you pay to be a leader and have a championship pedigree that is constantly in the gms ear trying to sabotage the coach instead of leading? Also, Tyson was very critical of others without holding himself accountable. Not the way a leader behaves in my opinion. The guy made almost max money and played around 60 games a year in ny. 19 games in and I don't miss him at all. I still think that was a good trade.

the question is if we could have done better ... and why the hell we did not trade his last year?

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:"with that type of play" is the key. Tyson didnt want to be here and he played that way. He's clearly invigorated in Dal.

I think the Knicks acted fairly based on what they saw last year. Maybe with a contract year we get that kind of effort, maybe we dont. Who knows. He dogged his way off the team and now he's playing like it had nothing to do him. Kinda makes me hate Tyson if anything

You're right that maybe a contract year changes things for Tyson. Maybe respect for Phil Jackson invigorates him too. Even when the team was at its worst, though, they were never around .250 when Melo and Tyson were healthy - never really even below .450.

The first two years Tyson was in NY the Knicks made the playoffs and Tyson caught the flu and was limited in the spring. His third season in NY he broke his leg and during the stretch run he missed games due to 'personal reasons'. Pretty sure he had a nasty bout with strep throat last year as well. I don't think he was ever going to do it in NY. His drama and poor off court showing last year and in the playoffs the previous year just made his leaving more of a necessity.

Necessity? Why? What was so critical in the first month or two of the season that required trading him immediately? What positive things have happened that we would have missed out on?
You're right about the flu issue. At least now we don't have to worry about guys getting injured or sick during the playoffs.

Do you keep a guy around that you pay to be a leader and have a championship pedigree that is constantly in the gms ear trying to sabotage the coach instead of leading? Also, Tyson was very critical of others without holding himself accountable. Not the way a leader behaves in my opinion. The guy made almost max money and played around 60 games a year in ny. 19 games in and I don't miss him at all. I still think that was a good trade.

the question is if we could have done better ... and why the hell we did not trade his last year?

I don't know that Phil could have done better. Felton was also moved. Thanasis, Early, Acy (via second trade), Larkin, Sam and Jose wasn't a bad deal in my opinion.

sam is horrible, larkin is gone, acy is pretty stinky, Jose we are on the hook for next year ...

I like Early and they are saying good things about Thanasis ... one of those guys better pan out.

Still could have gotten much more for him last season.

NardDogNation wrote:I hate to say I told you so...but I told you all so.

No, I wasn't a fan of Tyson's body language but why should that matter? He's playing with grown men who should have the gumption to get beyond that. Besides, any player that can't handle bad "body language", isn't equipped to handle the stress and rigors of playing in New York anyway. I'm not saying that we should have kept Tyson but this notion that he needed to be traded immediately, because of his pouty-face was flat out dumb.

Now, all we have to show for moving Tyson is a 33 year old PG due $21 million over the next 3 years and some marginal 2nd rounders that people try to hype up as game changers. I hated that trade then and hate it the same today because it was a horrible waste of an asset. The silver lining is that we're so FUBAR that we've accidentally positioned ourselves well enough to be contenders for Emanual Mudiay, Karl Towns and Jahlil Okafor.

It was a lot more than a pouty face. He was going to the gm trying to get his coach fired. I really wanted Mills out in the Phil purge last year as we'll. whatever you think of Woodson he had no support from mills last year.

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I hate to say I told you so...but I told you all so.

No, I wasn't a fan of Tyson's body language but why should that matter? He's playing with grown men who should have the gumption to get beyond that. Besides, any player that can't handle bad "body language", isn't equipped to handle the stress and rigors of playing in New York anyway. I'm not saying that we should have kept Tyson but this notion that he needed to be traded immediately, because of his pouty-face was flat out dumb.

Now, all we have to show for moving Tyson is a 33 year old PG due $21 million over the next 3 years and some marginal 2nd rounders that people try to hype up as game changers. I hated that trade then and hate it the same today because it was a horrible waste of an asset. The silver lining is that we're so FUBAR that we've accidentally positioned ourselves well enough to be contenders for Emanual Mudiay, Karl Towns and Jahlil Okafor.

It was a lot more than a pouty face. He was going to the gm trying to get his coach fired. I really wanted Mills out in the Phil purge last year as we'll. whatever you think of Woodson he had no support from mills last year.

You're blaming him for encouraging what we all wanted to happen? Woodson was a horrible coach and Chandler had every right to voice that opinion, since Woodson's ineptitude hurt Chandler's career and future earning potential. You see the way that he's playing for Dallas now, right? That could've been us (assuming we could find a coach with the chops that Rick Carlisle has)!

I don't know. Maybe I'm just trying to be the devil's advocate but I don't see the wrong in it.

you think that the fact that dallas has a really good team surrounding him helps? Chandler and Melo/Stats game don't mesh.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I hate to say I told you so...but I told you all so.

No, I wasn't a fan of Tyson's body language but why should that matter? He's playing with grown men who should have the gumption to get beyond that. Besides, any player that can't handle bad "body language", isn't equipped to handle the stress and rigors of playing in New York anyway. I'm not saying that we should have kept Tyson but this notion that he needed to be traded immediately, because of his pouty-face was flat out dumb.

Now, all we have to show for moving Tyson is a 33 year old PG due $21 million over the next 3 years and some marginal 2nd rounders that people try to hype up as game changers. I hated that trade then and hate it the same today because it was a horrible waste of an asset. The silver lining is that we're so FUBAR that we've accidentally positioned ourselves well enough to be contenders for Emanual Mudiay, Karl Towns and Jahlil Okafor.

It was a lot more than a pouty face. He was going to the gm trying to get his coach fired. I really wanted Mills out in the Phil purge last year as we'll. whatever you think of Woodson he had no support from mills last year.

You're blaming him for encouraging what we all wanted to happen? Woodson was a horrible coach and Chandler had every right to voice that opinion, since Woodson's ineptitude hurt Chandler's career and future earning potential. You see the way that he's playing for Dallas now, right? That could've been us (assuming we could find a coach with the chops that Rick Carlisle has)!

I don't know. Maybe I'm just trying to be the devil's advocate but I don't see the wrong in it.

you think that the fact that dallas has a really good team surrounding him helps? Chandler and Melo/Stats game don't mesh.

Based on what? They had a 54 win season and over .500 record as teammates.

that 54 win season had guards and leaders.