fishmike wrote:

Hector wrote:Never mind his game, Carmelo has lost his effing mind.

I didn't watch the 'tv special' he made - about himself.

(I saw enough in commercials to know what a nauseating piece it would be)

How could anyone have watched that & felt good about him & his role on this team & his actual basketball desire?

New York gets saddled with a lot of fake superstars with skill but no heart.

so your saying Phil Jackson doesnt know talent? OK.

Phil didn't create Michael Jordan. He walked on to a loaded Lakers team. The guy was blessed with talent from the get-go so we don't truly know what his capabilities for talent evaluation are as a GM. We're finding out step by step.

The only certainty is Phil knew where his biggest payday was coming from if he didn't go back to the Lakers (who probably would not have paid him this much anyway).

If Phil had to re-sign Melo as part of his pact with Dolan then his ability to evaluate Melo's talent has nothing to do with it. It is likely the deal he had to take to get paid by Dolan. Considering the way he caved in to Melo and gave him Max minus $5M, tried to pretend it was a good deal and gave him the no-trade clause, I'd say Phil showed no spine with regards to re-signing Melo. It was badly handled and executed and that doesn't speak well of his choices thus far.

Splat wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Hector wrote:Never mind his game, Carmelo has lost his effing mind.

I didn't watch the 'tv special' he made - about himself.

(I saw enough in commercials to know what a nauseating piece it would be)

How could anyone have watched that & felt good about him & his role on this team & his actual basketball desire?

New York gets saddled with a lot of fake superstars with skill but no heart.

He hasn't reach Marbury's level of insanity yet

Stephon doesn't have a compelling personality, but at least he has one.

Excellent, yet another "I'd rather play Marbles" opinion.
Please, expand on how much more you like vaseline over cashmere.

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Hector wrote:Never mind his game, Carmelo has lost his effing mind.

I didn't watch the 'tv special' he made - about himself.

(I saw enough in commercials to know what a nauseating piece it would be)

How could anyone have watched that & felt good about him & his role on this team & his actual basketball desire?

New York gets saddled with a lot of fake superstars with skill but no heart.

so your saying Phil Jackson doesnt know talent? OK.

Phil didn't create Michael Jordan. He walked on to a loaded Lakers team. The guy was blessed with talent from the get-go so we don't truly know what his capabilities for talent evaluation are as a GM. We're finding out step by step.

The only certainty is Phil knew where his biggest payday was coming from if he didn't go back to the Lakers (who probably would not have paid him this much anyway).

If Phil had to re-sign Melo as part of his pact with Dolan then his ability to evaluate Melo's talent has nothing to do with it. It is likely the deal he had to take to get paid by Dolan. Considering the way he caved in to Melo and gave him Max minus $5M, tried to pretend it was a good deal and gave him the no-trade clause, I'd say Phil showed no spine with regards to re-signing Melo. It was badly handled and executed and that doesn't speak well of his choices thus far.

At the end of the day it came down to
1) take lots less w/ Chi and join a much better team (but has major injury concerns of its own in Rose/Noah)
2) take lots more money to stay where your family wants to be, not move/uproot, and put faith in PHil to build a team

Those are the facts. Feel free to discuss

Or

post funny pictures and talk about how we learned from Marc Berman that MElo is more focused on building his brand than hoops. Considering the team he's on Im not sure I blame him. Thats pretty much what the new UK blood brings to the table.

Splat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not Carmelos fault at all--we played him way too many minutes. He was clearly overused tonight. Our SG and C woes hurt the team and they try to compensate by playing Melo and now Amare more minutes. Melo should play no more than 36 and Amare 30. All this is going to do is hurt us in the long run. If we cnat win games playing Carmelo 36 minutes at home against poor teams--then we just have to say we sck. Can we go out and change the SG--Im sure they can do something.

Are you Alan Hahn? You have an excuse for everything.

"Best Shape Of My Career But Boy Am I Tired"

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not Carmelos fault at all--we played him way too many minutes. He was clearly overused tonight. Our SG and C woes hurt the team and they try to compensate by playing Melo and now Amare more minutes. Melo should play no more than 36 and Amare 30. All this is going to do is hurt us in the long run. If we cnat win games playing Carmelo 36 minutes at home against poor teams--then we just have to say we sck. Can we go out and change the SG--Im sure they can do something.

when you shoot 7-22 its your damn fault - I don't care if you play 55 minutes.

I'd take that as a case by case study. What if you go 7-22 but 15-17 from the line? What if you go 7-22 with 22 rebs, 9 stls, and 15 ast? What if you go... No I'm just teasing.

TS and Win Shares my friend.

So really if he shot 7-22fg and all of them were 3s

Still not that good of a game although his TS needles budges slightly more positive

Meanwhile if he shot 11-22fg or better with a mixture of

Balanced scoring taking mainly what the defense gives him or within a fluid offensively flow

In a nutshell FG% just shoot closer to 50% or better in[big, crucial, home games]

The team only lost by 5 which is the difference between winning and losing and being

.heaven or .hell

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Hector wrote:Never mind his game, Carmelo has lost his effing mind.

I didn't watch the 'tv special' he made - about himself.

(I saw enough in commercials to know what a nauseating piece it would be)

How could anyone have watched that & felt good about him & his role on this team & his actual basketball desire?

New York gets saddled with a lot of fake superstars with skill but no heart.

so your saying Phil Jackson doesnt know talent? OK.

Phil didn't create Michael Jordan. He walked on to a loaded Lakers team. The guy was blessed with talent from the get-go so we don't truly know what his capabilities for talent evaluation are as a GM. We're finding out step by step.

The only certainty is Phil knew where his biggest payday was coming from if he didn't go back to the Lakers (who probably would not have paid him this much anyway).

If Phil had to re-sign Melo as part of his pact with Dolan then his ability to evaluate Melo's talent has nothing to do with it. It is likely the deal he had to take to get paid by Dolan. Considering the way he caved in to Melo and gave him Max minus $5M, tried to pretend it was a good deal and gave him the no-trade clause, I'd say Phil showed no spine with regards to re-signing Melo. It was badly handled and executed and that doesn't speak well of his choices thus far.

Get your facts straight... I can see your posting emotionally again.
1) Phil publicly said resigning Melo was not required and he had Dolan's permission to let him walk. Dolan confirmed Phil had full autonomy and wasnt involved in the contract negotiations.
2) Phil offered him the full max. It was one of five possible contracts Phil offered Melo. Melo passed on the max and took the slightly cheaper deal

At the end of the day it came down to
1) take lots less w/ Chi and join a much better team (but has major injury concerns of its own in Rose/Noah)
2) take lots more money to stay where your family wants to be, not move/uproot, and put faith in PHil to build a team

Those are the facts. Feel free to discuss

Or

post funny pictures and talk about how we learned from Marc Berman that MElo is more focused on building his brand than hoops. Considering the team he's on Im not sure I blame him. Thats pretty much what the new UK blood brings to the table.

Even other guys I've sparred with here will still discuss things and put down their clubs on occasion. But you're a full time jerk.

So when presented with facts you sling and name call? Then go on to cry that I am a chit slinger. Got it. Im sorry... I didnt mean to get in the way of YOU MAKING STUFF UP. Your easily the biggest hypocrite here. But thats cool. Apologies... I will work on presenting facts in more loving manner and less like a jerk.

fishmike wrote:

Splat wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:
Splat the problem is you make crap up and don't discuss facts. You. Hardupnation and FSzero are all ruining this board. I don't post anymore because of this crap. You guys speak your opinions as facts and even when shown the facts, the next day you just repost the same crap. Fish just showed you the facts and you ignored it and instead called him a jerk. Good riddance!

I don't know you. So if you want to come out of the woodwork after not posting for a while and tell me that, that's your prerogative, but I have nothing to go on.

Are you by any chance also Fishmike? I saw Fishmike responded and then deleted his post and then you start posting. Two identities? Go ahead and say that I'm making stuff up, but just had to ask seeing how conveniently approximate those two events are.

I deleted the post. It wasnt loving enough and I was afraid it would only perpetuate the aggression and negativity.

So to make you and the other new posters more comfortable in this environment Im going to focus on more on the facts so yes.. I retracted my post.

That sir is a fact.

Do as you wish. I confronted you. We clashed. OK. Done. I don't pretend to be something I'm not. I know I can be provocative. I'm not expecting you to be less than salty based on your past posting. But if you keep throwing acid on people while saying they are negative or emotional it is hypocritical.

You seem to lack a distinction between flaming the subjects and flaming the posters. If some of us have strong biases against players or the franchise and own it and willingly debate it, then that is where we stand. If the only tactic becomes scorn against a poster every damn time, then that becomes different. I've tried different approaches with you, tried friendly debate, but I accept you may be uninterested in that.

But don't tell me I ignore facts or only insult you when I spent considerable effort discussing my POV on Amare with Crushalot (both civil) and you just show up spewing and misrepresenting some fictional cabal of posters that exists only in your mind. You are the one who made up things about what people were saying and I stood up against that. I don't remain angry at you or anyone. That's why I can't turn around and be civil in the next post, but I sure am not to take anymore crap from you if you keep dishing it out.

I may be hostile towards Melo at times, but I don't make a point of always being hostile towards you or anyone in particular. You seem to think it is OK to hurl fireballs at posters saying they carry grudges when you are the one showing the greatest capacity on this board for holding grudges. So it kind of sounds like crap if you keep handling it like that. You seem to be hostile all of the time and if you can't cop to that, then you're just not able to hear it. No grudges here, just speaking up.

F500ONE wrote:

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Hector wrote:Never mind his game, Carmelo has lost his effing mind.

I didn't watch the 'tv special' he made - about himself.

(I saw enough in commercials to know what a nauseating piece it would be)

How could anyone have watched that & felt good about him & his role on this team & his actual basketball desire?

New York gets saddled with a lot of fake superstars with skill but no heart.

so your saying Phil Jackson doesnt know talent? OK.

Phil didn't create Michael Jordan. He walked on to a loaded Lakers team. The guy was blessed with talent from the get-go so we don't truly know what his capabilities for talent evaluation are as a GM. We're finding out step by step.

The only certainty is Phil knew where his biggest payday was coming from if he didn't go back to the Lakers (who probably would not have paid him this much anyway).

If Phil had to re-sign Melo as part of his pact with Dolan then his ability to evaluate Melo's talent has nothing to do with it. It is likely the deal he had to take to get paid by Dolan. Considering the way he caved in to Melo and gave him Max minus $5M, tried to pretend it was a good deal and gave him the no-trade clause, I'd say Phil showed no spine with regards to re-signing Melo. It was badly handled and executed and that doesn't speak well of his choices thus far.

Don't forget

- Opt out after 4th yr[can get more money from Daddy Dolan]

- Trade Kicker neighborhood of %15[gets his $5mil back if so]

Trade Kicker. That just made my stomach turn. Talk about giving away the candy store.

F500ONE wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not Carmelos fault at all--we played him way too many minutes. He was clearly overused tonight. Our SG and C woes hurt the team and they try to compensate by playing Melo and now Amare more minutes. Melo should play no more than 36 and Amare 30. All this is going to do is hurt us in the long run. If we cnat win games playing Carmelo 36 minutes at home against poor teams--then we just have to say we sck. Can we go out and change the SG--Im sure they can do something.

when you shoot 7-22 its your damn fault - I don't care if you play 55 minutes.

I'd take that as a case by case study. What if you go 7-22 but 15-17 from the line? What if you go 7-22 with 22 rebs, 9 stls, and 15 ast? What if you go... No I'm just teasing.

TS and Win Shares my friend.

So really if he shot 7-22fg and all of them were 3s

Still not that good of a game although his TS needles budges slightly more positive

Meanwhile if he shot 11-22fg or better with a mixture of

Balanced scoring taking mainly what the defense gives him or within a fluid offensively flow

In a nutshell FG% just shoot closer to 50% or better in[big, crucial, home games]

The team only lost by 5 which is the difference between winning and losing and being

.heaven or .hell

I have no idea what the hell you are talking about but you probably don't either have any idea.