SwishAndDish13 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'm a little surprised we've been as bad as we have been.

But then, maybe I shouldn't be- this is a lot of what we saw last year.

I was initially surprised as well. However, around the 5th game, I noticed that they were possibly tanking. At that point, I took a closer look at the roster and the way the games were being managed. I realized this was a full tank job and all their talk prior to the year was smoke and mirrors. I mean take the Hou game for example, JR is an idiot but he is the best we have and only guy who can create his own shot with Melo out. Yet him and THJ rode pine when the Knicks needed a basket bad and fhe game was there for the tanking in the fourth. They held Melo out similarly in the Orlando game. The tank is on!!

This is what they should have done the year we got Melo. Rather than wasting the amnesty and signing Tyson. We should be able to fill in the pieces correctly now.

you have a vivid imagination.

Which part? Being convinced they are trying to tank, but putting on a dog and pony show in the offseason to try and sell tickets, or filling in the roster in a logical manner?

there's a rookie coach out there. the way he's juggling lineups tells me he is still searching for a rotation that will best execute the offense he is instituting. i did not see the game last night but it seems that melo's injury is a blessing because i have heard there was some semblance of the triangle, even if stoudemire an jr smith interfere with that happening. some have suggested that the rookie coach needs to showcase stoudemire and smith for a midseason trade... and that is as close as it gets to a tank job, ie having to play dead weight players as a necessary evil.

if that is the case, then no matter what, we should see a different sort of team and/or approach after december 15th... agreed?

TripleThreat wrote:

Vmart wrote:I don't think he has to answer to anything. The plan is in place let's see it through. He may have to do a spin for the fans that just want empty wins.

What plan? Other than a soft cushy big paycheck semi retirement gig?

For the next three years, this will be a treadmill team. Never bad enough to get a top lottery pick to truly help the roster. Never good enough to contend. Always on the fringe of that last playoff spot in a weaker Eastern conference.

What "plan"? NBA teams only have one of a very very very small number of options, and the WORST, the absolute WORST is to be stuck in the middle, on the leagues "treadmill"

Zen Master is imposing a complex offense on a low BB IQ gunner who doesn't care about defense, on a team almost completely flushed of any other viable assets.

The Knicks need to pick a DIRECTION. If you are going to rebuild, then truly REBUILD. Swallow those growing pains and tough years and do it right now. What you don't do is put frosting on a fringe 8th seed team, take 60 million and pretend you've got cake.

This team doesn't need Phil Jackson, it needs a GM who will potentially be here in 10 years. Or more if needed and successful. It needs a GM with no legacy to protect and can instead eat a full rebuild because it's what's right for the entire franchise.

Not doubting he loved the financial perk

That came with taking this job but am in agreement about plan

I think he told Melo some cornball crap

We won't be bad during the life of his contract

And that by process of elimination and chance

He'll be able to add better talent to the team

Than what we've had maybe since Melo's been a Knick

But like others here Phil isn't factoring the scope of competition

And limitations to progress to that defining end

We won't be good until maybe after Phil contract is over

The good news Durant and Westbrook more than likely returns Friday

F500ONE wrote:

dk7th wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

franco12 wrote:I'm a little surprised we've been as bad as we have been.

But then, maybe I shouldn't be- this is a lot of what we saw last year.

I was initially surprised as well. However, around the 5th game, I noticed that they were possibly tanking. At that point, I took a closer look at the roster and the way the games were being managed. I realized this was a full tank job and all their talk prior to the year was smoke and mirrors. I mean take the Hou game for example, JR is an idiot but he is the best we have and only guy who can create his own shot with Melo out. Yet him and THJ rode pine when the Knicks needed a basket bad and fhe game was there for the tanking in the fourth. They held Melo out similarly in the Orlando game. The tank is on!!

This is what they should have done the year we got Melo. Rather than wasting the amnesty and signing Tyson. We should be able to fill in the pieces correctly now.

you have a vivid imagination.

Which part? Being convinced they are trying to tank, but putting on a dog and pony show in the offseason to try and sell tickets, or filling in the roster in a logical manner?

there's a rookie coach out there. the way he's juggling lineups tells me he is still searching for a rotation that will best execute the offense he is instituting. i did not see the game last night but it seems that melo's injury is a blessing because i have heard there was some semblance of the triangle, even if stoudemire an jr smith interfere with that happening. some have suggested that the rookie coach needs to showcase stoudemire and smith for a midseason trade... and that is as close as it gets to a tank job, ie having to play dead weight players as a necessary evil.

if that is the case, then no matter what, we should see a different sort of team and/or approach after december 15th... agreed?

There were some moments but we still have

Too many cases of ISOs and broken accidental offense

There is ball movement but it's not all within Triangle

Try to make time to watch a full game if you can

It's my encouragement to you, so your input will carry even further weight

Fisher's rotations have been bizarre as ever

i try to watch as much as i can, even though so much has been unwatchable. truth be told i got home exhausted and totally forgot they were playing. probably catch tomorrow night.

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

You must be giddy?

Nalod wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

You must be giddy?

I doubt it. It would mean Melo is untradeable. That is what I think would bum out DK the most, not the decimation of the franchise, much as the board seems to paint him as anti-Knicks.

Per the back issue, I said it can be career-ending and I stand by that. So it's not a joke at all.

While Stat is soon to be a historical footnote, the one thing you cannot fault him on is his dedication to rehabilitation and revising his conditioning regimen to recover from various ailments including his back.

It is still incomprehensible to me that Melo has many people who will defend his work ethic and claim he is as well-conditioned as other top players. Whatever people think about that will be put to the test.

If Melo continues to approach his career like he has before, my assertion is it will be in danger of ending completely or continuing with Melo as a shell of the player he was. So, I believe his conditioning will be key now.

This is not told you so talk, this is what is required now. It was fukking stupid to sign this guy like we did, but now that we have, the only hope is Melo gets his act together and becomes passionate about his diet and conditioning or he is done.

I can't speak for DK, but that would suck. It becomes another white elephant contract just like Stat's was which I am not happy to say is exactly what I predicted. I'd like it to at least be a case of Melo staying healthy and contributing, but that may not happen.

Melo has been pretty durable and has played big minutes as a knick. As a top scorer in the league, player of the month a few times, and even lead the league in scoring it seems one would have to be in pretty good shape to do this.

We don't know Phils vision for the team for the next two years. My take is a top pick this year and a free agent. That gives us the desired trio that teams need to contend. To extrapolate the current roster and Melo as the continued exclusive focal point would show a lack of imagination by any fan.

Those who revel in being correct over objectivity bring little to the discussion.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

It could be nothing, it could be serious. It could need surgery it could need rest. It may never impact his game again, it may end up defining his career. Every athlete is an injury away from walking away from sports. Best case is MElo shuts it down and we add OK4 or another stud from the draft to go along with a pair of max stud players.

Splat wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

its whatever best fits his anti-Knick/Melo agenda for the day.

It could be nothing, it could be serious. It could need surgery it could need rest. It may never impact his game again, it may end up defining his career. Every athlete is an injury away from walking away from sports. Best case is MElo shuts it down and we add OK4 or another stud from the draft to go along with a pair of max stud players.

Yes. Rest up. Work out. Wait for OK4. Come back.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:this is definitely a disc issue, bulging, or even worse, herniated. three weeks off at this age-- he's going on 31-- and he has to start working his core like crazy going forward. back issues at this age are serious, even career-threatening.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/11946490/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-listed-doubtful-friday-game-vs-thunder

Amazing how a torn labrum was diagnosed by you as a little shoulder injury that didn't impact his shot when he struggled in the playoffs. Later you referred to this as his troublesome shoulders when Phil resigned him. Now you are diagnosing back spasms as a disc issue that could even be career threatening. Lets hope you are as wrong as you were when he tore his labrum in his shoulder.

if you claim that it must have affected his shot then guess what-- as i said then and repeat now: stop shooting and do something else to help the team!!!

the overarching issue at the moment is that a man's body hits its physical peak around 28 and then begins to succumb to father time-- the only things that forestall that is genetics and training regimen.

melo has treated himself as a commodity his entire career, and blithely continues to do so while rubbing our faces in it. while i do not wish ill on him-- i am a knick fan first-- if you discern something beyond concern for his well-being from me, there is ample grounds for it.

shoulders, knees, backs... these are simply body parts that belong to melo's own "self-as-commodity" model. agreed?

When you want to criticize his play his injury is minor. When you want to criticize his contract/age his injury could be career threatening. It is pretty transparent and it goes along with what you have been posting since you arrived here.