StarksEwing1 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It just proves how much he bagged it last year. As THJr said they were not trying and Chandler was #1 culprit. No worries. He will get hurt or get the flu...happens every year.

I still dont regret trading him. I think Early can develop into a good player off the bench and larkin has shown some flashes. Tyson should have never left Dallas because he was most comfortable there.

Neither do I, although I do regret rebuffing trading him earlier

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

Tyson is in his contract year ...

If Dallas was smart they would trade him right now since his value is at his peak

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

I said Tyson is mostly useless? No... you wrote that and said I did. I said Tyson was good in his first two seasons here. He was a huge part of the 54 win season and was an even bigger part of the collapse vs. Indy getting used by Hibbert, but he was ill so now your a Tyson apologist and excuse maker. Thats how it works right?

He was dreadful last year... utterly horrible but lets ignore his failures here for three good weeks in Dallas and say how stupid we were for trading him.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

This is why I generally ignore your posts Bonn. You make stuff up and put people's names on it.

I said Tyson is mostly useless? No... you wrote that and said I did. I said Tyson was good in his first two seasons here. He was a huge part of the 54 win season and was an even bigger part of the collapse vs. Indy getting used by Hibbert, but he was ill so now your a Tyson apologist and excuse maker. Thats how it works right?

He was dreadful last year... utterly horrible but lets ignore his failures here for three good weeks in Dallas and say how stupid we were for trading him.

So when you said "Tyson was good early," you meant the first 2 of his 3 years here? Is it early in the day until 11PM?
If I were a Tyson apologist I wouldn't be talking about trading him by the deadline this year. I have no idea where any of your ideas come from

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

Why? Calderon literally has NOTHING to do with this argument and I haven't seen anyone bring him up here to put Tyson down. Do you really need to take a shot at a current Knick to help make an ex Knick look better?

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

Why? Calderon literally has NOTHING to do with this argument and I haven't seen anyone bring him up here to put Tyson down. Do you really need to take a shot at a current Knick to help make an ex Knick look better?

Calderon has everything to do with it. If you're saying 1) you don't regret the trade and 2) Tyson was never on the court, it shouldn't be too hard to see the relevance of Calderon.

can we PLEASE not forget about Felton?

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

Why? Calderon literally has NOTHING to do with this argument and I haven't seen anyone bring him up here to put Tyson down. Do you really need to take a shot at a current Knick to help make an ex Knick look better?

Calderon has everything to do with it. If you're saying 1) you don't regret the trade and 2) Tyson was never on the court, it shouldn't be too hard to see the relevance of Calderon.

can we PLEASE not forget about Felton?

You don't get credit for dumping a player if you're taking on more salary than you gave up

It would depend on the players, no?

either way, Calderon better be damn good since we are locked into him.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

Why? Calderon literally has NOTHING to do with this argument and I haven't seen anyone bring him up here to put Tyson down. Do you really need to take a shot at a current Knick to help make an ex Knick look better?

Calderon has everything to do with it. If you're saying 1) you don't regret the trade and 2) Tyson was never on the court, it shouldn't be too hard to see the relevance of Calderon.

can we PLEASE not forget about Felton?

You don't get credit for dumping a player if you're taking on more salary than you gave up

It would depend on the players, no?

either way, Calderon better be damn good since we are locked into him.

I'd have preferred waiving Felton and at least temporarily holding onto Tyson. He's putting up 14 and 14 per 36 right now. Anything remotely close to that and he would have gotten us something much better than Calderon on a long contract.

I don't know how much truth there is to what you're saying about Phil and Tyson. There were also reports that Melo almost left NY to play with Dallas and that one of the reasons was he wanted to keep playing with Tyson.

I can't even imagine what the threads here would look like if Calderon were playing like an all-star and Tyson had missed every game.

Tyson's value is higher now that he does not have the flu and is performing well on a good team.

Was phil just desperate to move him at any cost? Not sure about that.

I also think that Melo may be dumb enough to think that he and Tyson are still buds just like he had no idea that there was a rift between him and MDA.

I think that Phil really believes that Jose being very efficient and relatively smart is what the team needs. I like the early pick as well.

Could we have gotten more for him? You say yes, phil thought no. Phil liked his package.

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

Why? Calderon literally has NOTHING to do with this argument and I haven't seen anyone bring him up here to put Tyson down. Do you really need to take a shot at a current Knick to help make an ex Knick look better?

Calderon has everything to do with it. If you're saying 1) you don't regret the trade and 2) Tyson was never on the court, it shouldn't be too hard to see the relevance of Calderon.

can we PLEASE not forget about Felton?

You don't get credit for dumping a player if you're taking on more salary than you gave up

It would depend on the players, no?

either way, Calderon better be damn good since we are locked into him.

I'd have preferred waiving Felton and at least temporarily holding onto Tyson. He's putting up 14 and 14 per 36 right now. Anything remotely close to that and he would have gotten us something much better than Calderon on a long contract.

I don't know how much truth there is to what you're saying about Phil and Tyson. There were also reports that Melo almost left NY to play with Dallas and that one of the reasons was he wanted to keep playing with Tyson.

I can't even imagine what the threads here would look like if Calderon were playing like an all-star and Tyson had missed every game.

I think you're wrong with regards to us getting a better haul if we'd kept Tyson- if we'd left it until the deadline, he'd just be a rental, which diminishes value regardless of how well a player would be playing. Even if we'd waited until now- where would he have fit? OKC would no longer be interested as their season is a disaster. Dallas wouldn't have offered more than they did in June. What teams honestly would have wanted him and given up a high price? Cleveland- maybe, but do we really want to help make them better? Would he honestly have re-signed with them? Miami? We'd be looking at a late first.

True because Tyson would be here

On another rudderless 3-10 team sinking his value more

The time to trade him was last year at deadline, he was in demand

He proved he recovered from being injured early in the season

Not sure if Bonn is posting in a borrowing of time nature

Trying to reason if he's here another half yr, then maybe he gets it together

And actually impacts our W-L column, then no need to trade him

Needless to say another reason waiting this yr to trade him at deadline

Would have been futile because you would have shortened the list

Of suitors not wanting him on a half year rental, not offering anything of value

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Knixkik wrote:But for how long will he sustain that play? And how long will he stay healthy? We used him in some of his best years and traded him when everyone knew he would only decline, it was just a matter of how long he could sustain this type of play (when healthy) until he did show a real decline. The mavs probably figure he can play this well until Nowitzki is done. We got 2 starters from a good team plus a couple of draft picks/prospects. Not sure how high we could have ever sold on him.

Forget it, now he's no longer a Knick, fans begin canonizing him- they no longer acknowledge the very flaws that led them to driving them out of town in the first place.

You have to realize it's a 2 way street. This environment brings out the worst of most people. Actually, as long as Tyson keeps this up, my guess is non-Knicks fans will look at his lower production last year as being more due to a cancerous Knicks environment. Tyson has the individual and team accomplishments (and we have nothing) that will lead most people to give him the benefit of the doubt.

What good is a leader when he can't be a leader in the absence of other leaders? No good at all.

This. Tyson wasn't paid 15 mil just to get 9 pts and 10 boards for a little over 50 games a year. He was paid to lead and because he allegedly had a championship pedigree. Getting owned by Hibbert and then trashing your teammates without taking any accountability for the impact your horrific play had on your team in the playoffs was horrible. Spending the better part of the season chatting up the gm every chance you had and trying to sabotage your coach and team when the team desperately needed you to step up and do what you were getting paid for was the worse. Good riddance.

exactly. But look a the topic starter. Low on logic, high on flinging doodoo.

Tyson was good early on when he could stay on the court. He was good in the 54 win season and he was the guy who rolled over against Hibbert as previously mentioned. Hibbert. This wasnt Dwight Howard who lit him up. Hibbert.

Dude was a part of one great team with one great run. Lets ignore what we saw every day for a couple years and focus on three good weeks.

Knick land. Tyson is a god and Shump is a max player. Oh wait he shot 1-11. Ok lets trade him.

Tyson was DPOY right, which means he had

To have performed better than a 3 week stretch

To be garnished with award, the time to trade him

Was probably mid January to February of last season

But of course we were chasing the 9th seed

Yeah, seriously. He criticizes our logic and then says a guy who had a DPOY and separate all-star season was mostly useless. Maybe I'll have to remind fish never to mention Melo's all-star appearances then.
Yeah, when Tyson was ill he got destroyed by Hibbert. Then next year Hibbert got destroyed in the 2nd round too. If you're in the post-season a lot, you'll have ups and downs.
Let's examine Calderon's history, age, and current "performance" before we talk about Tyson's ability to stay on the court.

Why? Calderon literally has NOTHING to do with this argument and I haven't seen anyone bring him up here to put Tyson down. Do you really need to take a shot at a current Knick to help make an ex Knick look better?

Calderon has everything to do with it. If you're saying 1) you don't regret the trade and 2) Tyson was never on the court, it shouldn't be too hard to see the relevance of Calderon.

can we PLEASE not forget about Felton?

You don't get credit for dumping a player if you're taking on more salary than you gave up

It would depend on the players, no?

either way, Calderon better be damn good since we are locked into him.

I'd have preferred waiving Felton and at least temporarily holding onto Tyson. He's putting up 14 and 14 per 36 right now. Anything remotely close to that and he would have gotten us something much better than Calderon on a long contract.

I don't know how much truth there is to what you're saying about Phil and Tyson. There were also reports that Melo almost left NY to play with Dallas and that one of the reasons was he wanted to keep playing with Tyson.

I can't even imagine what the threads here would look like if Calderon were playing like an all-star and Tyson had missed every game.

I think you're wrong with regards to us getting a better haul if we'd kept Tyson- if we'd left it until the deadline, he'd just be a rental, which diminishes value regardless of how well a player would be playing. Even if we'd waited until now- where would he have fit? OKC would no longer be interested as their season is a disaster. Dallas wouldn't have offered more than they did in June. What teams honestly would have wanted him and given up a high price? Cleveland- maybe, but do we really want to help make them better? Would he honestly have re-signed with them? Miami? We'd be looking at a late first.

True because Tyson would be here

On another rudderless 3-10 team sinking his value more

The time to trade him was last year at deadline, he was in demand

He proved he recovered from being injured early in the season

Not sure if Bonn is posting in a borrowing of time nature

Trying to reason if he's here another half yr, then maybe he gets it together

And actually impacts our W-L column, then no need to trade him

Needless to say another reason waiting this yr to trade him at deadline

Would have been futile because you would have shortened the list

Of suitors not wanting him on a half year rental, not offering anything of value

We would not be 3-10 with an all-star center putting up 14 and 14 per 36 - probably nowhere near 3-10
Regarding the other comments, you can usually get a good feel whether the guy will re-sign anyway before the trade. If he doesn't want to be in the city, the player often leaks to sources that he won't re-sign there. I don't see the rental issue being fatal. I'm sure we could have done better than an overpaid Calderon. I think just keeping the cap space would have been better anyway. Dallas *more than* replaced him him with Jameer Nelson ($2.7 mil per) and Devin Harris (3.8 mil).

We pretty much were that when he returned from injury last yr

And his per 36 were close to the same look at February

Stop acting as if Tyson hasn't been here

Playing heavy minutes while the team stunk

I do agree with your premise of maximizing his value on trade

And whether the Dallas deal provided enough

Everything I else stated remains, the key is get the most on return

Not settle in any way, even in hoping for best possible outcome to come to fruition