NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Landry Fields never had a good season

Neither has Shumpert. What's your point?

Shump is having a great start to the season shooting the ball. Everything else is pretty much status quo. To me the bottom line is this:

Is Shumpert part of the future?

Well lets play out the scenarios shall we?

If he sustains this level of shooting (I say this is impossible) or close to it what will his cost be? Say he levels off at 48% shooting and 40% from 3. He puts up 14ppg, 4asst, 5rebs and plays excellent defense and doesnt get hurt. Coming off a career year at 25 years old he will certainly shoot for $6-$7mm a year to start at the very minimum. Maybe 5 years $38mm? something in the Ariza territory?

So if we are clearing every penny of cap space so we add some high caliber impact talent do we want to use a chunk of that space on Shump? Does that seem like a good move?

Or....

He falls back to earth, ends up shooting in the low 40s (he was a career 39% shooter coming into this year) and probably gets hurt at some point, misses 5-6 weeks and takes another 4 to get back into "game shape" what do we do then? Extend him the QO and bring him back for $4mm?

Part of the reason the Knicks have such a bare cubbard is they NEVER SELL HIGH.

I have never seen a better time to pump and dump Shump. How long before he falls back to earth?

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I don't think that this is him turning over a new leaf at all. I'd move him ASAP before the bottom falls out. Wouldn't want to re-sign him to big dollars based on just one good season and have him turn into Landry Fields.

Exactly. I'd say the same thing even if he averages 40 PPG. Giving him mega bucks is a bad gamble

what is mega bucks? I don't think he gets a Klay Thompson type contract. Also, it depends on the pkg. He has a defensive rep and it had been reported that a team or two was willing to give up a 1st. So if he continues this level of play what is his worth on the trade market?

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Landry Fields never had a good season

Neither has Shumpert. What's your point?

there are some guys here who really dislike certain players on the roster. So they "decide" to follow and fall blindly in love with some guy on the roster who isnt one of those guys. We saw it early with Quincy. Now its Shumpert.

Shump is having a great start to the season shooting the ball. Everything else is pretty much status quo. To me the bottom line is this:

Is Shumpert part of the future?

Well lets play out the scenarios shall we?

If he sustains this level of shooting (I say this is impossible) or close to it what will his cost be? Say he levels off at 48% shooting and 40% from 3. He puts up 14ppg, 4asst, 5rebs and plays excellent defense and doesnt get hurt. Coming off a career year at 25 years old he will certainly shoot for $6-$7mm a year to start at the very minimum. Maybe 5 years $38mm? something in the Ariza territory?

So if we are clearing every penny of cap space so we add some high caliber impact talent do we want to use a chunk of that space on Shump? Does that seem like a good move?

Or....

He falls back to earth, ends up shooting in the low 40s (he was a career 39% shooter coming into this year) and probably gets hurt at some point, misses 5-6 weeks and takes another 4 to get back into "game shape" what do we do then? Extend him the QO and bring him back for $4mm?

Part of the reason the Knicks have such a bare cubbard is they NEVER SELL HIGH.

I have never seen a better time to pump and dump Shump. How long before he falls back to earth?

Shumpert is such an arrogant ******* that I could see him asking for $10 million per, give or take. Remember that comparable players like Avery Bradley and Alec Burks (both of whom I'd prefer to Shumpert) set the market at $8-$10 million a year. And with better than half the league expected to have cap space next offseason, he'll have plenty of suitors to drive up/maintain that price. I want no part of the bidding process because like you indicated, Shumpert is a ticking timebomb as far as injuries are concerned.

I don't have anything against Iman; I'm happy to see that he is having a mini-coming out party. At the same time, he hasn't shown enough,long enough to justify a long-term commitment. He's a cherry-on-top player aka a guy you add to a team that already has its foundation. If you confuse him as being anything but, his contracts turns into a bad contract like how Courtney Lee was with the Celtics (now look at him ball out with the Grizzlies!) or Ariza was during his first stint with the Rockets (then look at how valued he became with the Wizards). We need to find our Mike Conley and Marc Gasol/ John Wall Bradley Beal before we start making it rain on role players.

Knicks1969 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It's the reason why there is such a complete disregard for lottery picks by the Knicks and their fans. They expect lebron like success from day one.

It doesn't work that way. You have to groom your skilled young players. Best part if you get to do it while they are on their rookie contracts so if they pan out GREAT if not they didn't hurt your cap space.

Thank you.

That's the magic formula for the Knicks. Send them out after 4 years to spread their wings elsewhere. We're a farm team for the rest of the NBA.

Splat wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It's the reason why there is such a complete disregard for lottery picks by the Knicks and their fans. They expect lebron like success from day one.

It doesn't work that way. You have to groom your skilled young players. Best part if you get to do it while they are on their rookie contracts so if they pan out GREAT if not they didn't hurt your cap space.

Thank you.

That's the magic formula for the Knicks. Send them out after 4 years to spread their wings elsewhere. We're a farm team for the rest of the NBA.

What picks have we had flourished elsewhere i.e. got incredibly better?

Knicks1969 wrote:Ariza is a pretty nice player

That's one in 20 years. Aside from Jordan Hill, we got no one else to add to that list. Gallo's about the same player he was as Knick, if not worse; same as Chandler, Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrellson, Channing Frye, David Lee, Nate Robinson etc. And with exception to David Lee, none of those guys are starters for their current team. So trade Shumpert!

NardDogNation wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Ariza is a pretty nice player

That's one in 20 years. Aside from Jordan Hill, we got no one else to add to that list. Gallo's about the same player he was as Knick, if not worse; same as Chandler, Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrellson, etc. And none of those guys are starters on their current team.

David Lee

NardDogNation wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Ariza is a pretty nice player

That's one in 20 years. Aside from Jordan Hill, we got no one else to add to that list. Gallo's about the same player he was as Knick, if not worse; same as Chandler, Toney Douglas, Landry Fields, Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrellson, etc. And none of those guys are starters on their current team.

David Lee

I know. I added him to my original post as you was prepping this response. He's no better than he was as a Knick, however. In fact, I'd say he's worse off now because of the injuries and slower lateral quickness.

C Frye