F500ONE wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:F500ONE wrote:RonRon wrote:Butler is playing great, however, he is also a product of the entire system and talent that is on the roster
His size, strength, is closer to a PF, but he has skills of a G, he knows how to fully utilize his size at SG with great timely cuts, especially because The Bulls have BIGS that could pass/facilitate/and post
His DEFENSE is very good but also must give credit to Thibs and the PF and Centers that The Bulls have, that we do notIt isn't even fair to compare Butler and Iman Shumpert, Butler's size/strength is closer to a PF, while Iman is closer to a combo guard
Butler has developed much the past couple of years due to the loss of Derrick Rose and the passing game of Noah and the system in Chicago
Is Butler better than Gordon Hayward who did get a max contract, I don't think so, not yet at least
He is very important to the Bull's team though
Butler played the most minutes in the league last year but shot under 40%, however, with Rose and Gasol added to the team, his FG % will likely go up by a lot in a contract year
However when players like Alec Burks gets over 10m per year, one can easily argue that Butler deserves much more
Both players have the great size/strength to play G/F and even PF on switches at times, especially vs some SF/PF's
Both have guard skills while I think Hayward is much better offensively than Butler
Look at all these players demanding MAX contracts, with the new CBA in 2017 coming, it might look like peanuts
However, there has to be a line drawn somewhere, while some players are good players, they are not worth MAX contracts or the contracts they are seeking, like Burks recently got
So Ron you're saying Jimmy Butler
Wouldn't be just as good playing next to Top 5 Melo?
Let's judge Butler on his merits
He's not a system player, he's a good all around player end of story
I'd take Butler over Hayward////// Breakfast, Brunch, Lunch, Dinner, Dessert
And snacks in between each one of them
I think Gordon is a better all around player than Butler is right now. But I think Butler is better than Parsons, who also received close to max money, so it's not out of the question for Butler to get a max deal.
When I see Gordon Hayward defend the better
Offensive players in this league and give them fits
On a nightly basis, I'll concede
Hayward in no way, shape, or form can cover Lebron like Butler
You are probably correct as Butler is very BIG and STRONG, it also does help that he has Noah and Gibson behind him as TEAM defenders, like Paul George had Hibbert to help defend Lebron
IMO, Lebron is already in decline, losing speed/quickness/athleticism, while he in his prime, he could beat anyone with his choice of doing anything he wishes
Losing the speed/quickness he once had was part of the reason why Lebron was a lock down defender in the past, however, he doesn't look like he is close to the same player he was once
Kawaii Leanard and the Spur's/Poppavich fully took advantage of this, as MVP of the finals, despite being the 4th or 5th option on the team
Credit Leanard for his improvements as well and the confidence and improvements in the shots he took, especially from the 3pt line, along with Poppavich and his development staff, and the Spur's willingness to make plays for each other and hitting the open man
