gunsnewing wrote:^this

You would think after 15yrs we would learn

But nard didn't even give an example of a team that has done what he's saying. Basically sign Melo and tank to get a top pick no matter who it is then just keep doing that? I mean I just don't get what the point is being a knick fan if you just want to sitv and wait for a high draft pick to come in and save the day.

My plan is Phil's plan. Like I keep saying it's too early for all this. Knicks plan to spend their money and draft someone regardless if it's the #1 or #30.... this season isn't over it just begun. Too much time to be crying about a draft pick.

EnySpree wrote:Didn't say we need to sign the next Amare. We need to sign players that fit. Simply banking on the draft with no plan in place makes us the Utah jazz.

...and the Jazz, as constructed, are far better than we are. I'd jump at the chance to be them right now if we could.

And what are you going to get in free agency but the Amare Stoudemire caliber stars of the world? I think LeBron going to MIA and then back to CLE has deluded us to how free agency normally works. Legitimate superstars NEVER leave their former team via free agency unless something is seriously wrong with them (e.g. Amare having microfracture surgery on both knees). Kevin Love was traded; CP3 was traded; Deron Williams was traded; Harden was traded. With exception to Shaq and LeBron, no real franchise changing talent has left their team via free agency. So the idea of us bringing in a free agent superstar with cap space is far more improbable than finding him via the draft. 2010 should've been all the confirmation we'd need for that.

If we were to draft a player with star potential though, he would BE the plan for how we'd form our identity moving forward.

So yeah let's get the best draft pick we can get. Good thinking genius because that's what we're doing anyway. We're not tanking now on purpose. That won't happen until the deadline. Right now Phil mentioned December as an evaluation deadline so I'm rolling with that rather than cry about tanking two weeks into the season

BRIGGS wrote:With his poweful base strong hands deft touch and uses the backboard this player might be the closest resmblance to tik duncan since tim duncan this years draft will be better tahn last years at the top

Okafor did look good yesterday. If he can fix his shooting form and work on his ability to contain the pick and roll, I think he'd have the potential to be the best center in the league. But to indulge EnvySpree's talking points, is he worth drafting if we could sign a Marc Gasol?

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With his poweful base strong hands deft touch and uses the backboard this player might be the closest resmblance to tik duncan since tim duncan this years draft will be better tahn last years at the top

Okafor did look good yesterday. If he can fix his shooting form and work on his ability to contain the pick and roll, I think he'd have the potential to be the best center in the league. But to indulge EnvySpree's talking points, is he worth drafting if we could sign a Marc Gasol?

Watched the Fairfield feed of the Duke game yesterday. Id be very urprisd if OK 4 is noit the #1 pick. I dont know who said eddy curry but that was way way off. He has a really good body and he plays hard. hes impossible to stop. Id like to see him play against a Kentucky who have three legit lottery C's themselves Darkari Willie Stein and Town

Doing the math were going to get a C who will be NBA ready and will help us next year

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:With his poweful base strong hands deft touch and uses the backboard this player might be the closest resmblance to tik duncan since tim duncan this years draft will be better tahn last years at the top

Okafor did look good yesterday. If he can fix his shooting form and work on his ability to contain the pick and roll, I think he'd have the potential to be the best center in the league. But to indulge EnvySpree's talking points, is he worth drafting if we could sign a Marc Gasol?

Watched the Fairfield feed of the Duke game yesterday. Id be very urprisd if OK 4 is noit the #1 pick. I dont know who said eddy curry but that was way way off. He has a really good body and he plays hard. hes impossible to stop. Id like to see him play against a Kentucky who have three legit lottery C's themselves Darkari Willie Stein and Town

Doing the math were going to get a C who will be NBA ready and will help us next year

Mudiay or Okafor? Who means the most to the triangle?

Vmart wrote:From the little I saw of Ok4. He is skilled the footwork is solid. No need to compare to Eddy Curry he is miles ahead of his pace as far as footwork is concerned. If the Knicks can get any of the top three guys the Knicks will be ok. Another guy I like is Stanley Johnson kinda reminds me a little of LJ. But really would like to see them play college ball.

I think people forget just how skilled Eddy was in the low post before he ate himself into oblivion. And on top of that, he guy was a former gymnast and moved like it on the court. But for what it's worth, it seems like I was overreacting to Okafor's weight. He looks pretty svelte right now and hustles enough to make me believe he won't be dealing with those issues.