NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Reggie Jackson is the superstar of FA. i thought that last year--I posted that last year. He's a 6-3 version of James Harden who just has not gotten the 38 minutes a night he deserves. Yes he might have a few hiccups but in terms of productivity with what he can do with his body and dribble--there is no other player close in FA.

I DO NOT think we should pay players based on the triangle. We need to pay players per their talent. OKC CANNOT pay RJ--but we CAN. We have not had a player as talented as RJ in the last 25 years.

I would like to get one big--whether it be a Monroe Ladridge Gasol but REALISTICALLY what does this team need more than anything? A superstar who can have the ball in his hands and dictate the game. RJ makes CA at the PF much more effective. He's got to be our number 1 FA target for many reasons and Ron Ron I GUARNATEE I will not flip on this----RJ --i would give him a maximum contract--I wont be cheap with him--Ill give it to him 1 minute after FA opens. I hope when Westbrook comes back he goes back to stealth and 25 minutes end of season. Any player who is given the keys to the team--he'll have some hiccups but name another player who is even close to this?

...would you try to trade for Reggie?

Fck no- we should NEVER trade for guys who will be UFA's?????

If the Knicks can settle down with THJ and just leave him at 6th man and give him 30 min--so he can find his role-- if we could pick up RJ in FA that would put us at

5--no idea
4--Melo
3--no idea
2-Shumpert
1 Jackson
6th man THJ
back up PG Calderon unless we can swap him for another position cash wise that makes sense.
If you can get Jackson resign Shumpert draft a big--we can some addition by subtraction--we'll be much much better.

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Reggie Jackson is the superstar of FA. i thought that last year--I posted that last year. He's a 6-3 version of James Harden who just has not gotten the 38 minutes a night he deserves. Yes he might have a few hiccups but in terms of productivity with what he can do with his body and dribble--there is no other player close in FA.

I DO NOT think we should pay players based on the triangle. We need to pay players per their talent. OKC CANNOT pay RJ--but we CAN. We have not had a player as talented as RJ in the last 25 years.

I would like to get one big--whether it be a Monroe Ladridge Gasol but REALISTICALLY what does this team need more than anything? A superstar who can have the ball in his hands and dictate the game. RJ makes CA at the PF much more effective. He's got to be our number 1 FA target for many reasons and Ron Ron I GUARNATEE I will not flip on this----RJ --i would give him a maximum contract--I wont be cheap with him--Ill give it to him 1 minute after FA opens. I hope when Westbrook comes back he goes back to stealth and 25 minutes end of season. Any player who is given the keys to the team--he'll have some hiccups but name another player who is even close to this?

...would you try to trade for Reggie?

Fck no- we should NEVER trade for guys who will be UFA's?????

Just curious if we traded for guys in this state

Why is there red alert fear they would leave

I thought players want to play in New York because you know it's New York

We'd own their BRs, and if they played well why wouldn't they want to stay

How can we reason we can attract URFA from other teams(e.g. Gasol, Rondo, etc etc)

When we're a gutter team but can't trade for said players and keep them

Can someone take a stab at this and make it make sense

Not that we have the goods to get them but catch my drift

BRIGGS wrote:Reggie Jackson is the superstar of FA. i thought that last year--I posted that last year. He's a 6-3 version of James Harden who just has not gotten the 38 minutes a night he deserves. Yes he might have a few hiccups but in terms of productivity with what he can do with his body and dribble--there is no other player close in FA.

I DO NOT think we should pay players based on the triangle. We need to pay players per their talent. OKC CANNOT pay RJ--but we CAN. We have not had a player as talented as RJ in the last 25 years.

I would like to get one big--whether it be a Monroe Ladridge Gasol but REALISTICALLY what does this team need more than anything? A superstar who can have the ball in his hands and dictate the game. RJ makes CA at the PF much more effective. He's got to be our number 1 FA target for many reasons and Ron Ron I GUARNATEE I will not flip on this----RJ --i would give him a maximum contract--I wont be cheap with him--Ill give it to him 1 minute after FA opens. I hope when Westbrook comes back he goes back to stealth and 25 minutes end of season. Any player who is given the keys to the team--he'll have some hiccups but name another player who is even close to this?

hhhhmm ... never considered him to be our top target but maybe you are onto something. I really like his game (would like higher %'s from three though).

How much do you think he will command?

yellowboy90 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Whats Reggie Jacksons defense like?

I think it is pretty good but I would need to watch him more as a starter to get a grasp of what kind of defender he is with a heavy offensive work load.

Also, another key is that he and Fisher played together so they have a connection.

NardDogNation wrote:Reggie Jackson isn't worth the max and LaMarcus Aldridge seems set on finishing his career in Portland. And aside from Aldridge, no upcoming free agents would be worth that.

Is 4yrs 50mil the max? Seems like a decent contract for somebody with good upside. Also they are expecting a cap increase in 2016.

Westbrook
Harden

Eric Maynor who was also set back do to injuries but eventually was traded for a 2nd round pick as Jackson won the 3rd string at the time with both Westbrook/Harden playing PG/SG majority of the minutes and some with Royal Ivey

Reggie Jackson

veterans Royal Ivey and Deaquan Cook (more of a shooter/chucker)

He has good size, good athleticism, good length, good shooter, and decent ability to shoot the 3pter
However, he is an average defender at best, despite his good size/length/athleticism, he can get some steals but he is far from Harden

Harden is a TOP TIER BIG COMBO guard, while Jackson would be comparable to PG's like Lowry/Mike Conley at BEST
James Harden is one of the best in the league in terms of drawing fouls at a high rate, converting the FT's, a very good scorer both in the paint, hitting FT's, and shooting jumpers all over the court
He is a franchise player that played behind both Durant and Westbrook, in which OKC should have kept at all cost, who could have had a dynasty had they kept him
I thought Harden was a much better PG than Westbrook because of his ability to penetrate and draw fouls, over Westbrook who would tend to pull up for jumpers more and often made poor decisions despite his amazing talent
Westbrook is a much better defender than both players but it is an area where he probably could help the team much more if he focused more of his energy on DEF rather than scoring
Harden lead OKC by himself when they beat Dallas while on a huge deficit in the 4th quarter and throughout the entire game till the final seconds when they went to the Finals vs The Heat

Harden is very deceptive, taking a bit of his skills of combo guard Manu Ginobili but on steroids
As a PG/SG, he was used to defend Lebron in his prime, and he posted him up and it was a huge mismatch
He was unable to produce even when left open after losing confidence and exerting his energy to defend Lebron
His ability to penetrate with his combination of strength (with contact and finish), speed/quickness, handle, and draw double to triples teams, that leads to wide open shots for his team mates is simply one of the best in the entire league

Jackson is a RFA while there are some other PG's that are also available, however, IMO, Tony Wroten resembles a bit of Harden/John Wall/Ginobili than Reggie Jackson while Jackson is a quality scoring PG that has learned how to facilitate playing behind Westbrook/Durant
While I agree we need a PG that has the ability to penetrate/facilitate, we have many positions to fill, and we already overpayed for contracts in both CA and Calderon
I was hoping we would send STAT to Philly for a large trade exemption with some more assets, possibly Tim Hardaway JR or Iman Shumpert for Wroten as well

Dragic
Rhondo

Parker

Lou Williams/Jeremy Lin
AJ Price is a vet min PG that just signed with The Pacer's and I think he is extremely under rated and should be a quality backup PG at the least
Andre Miller is an interesting PG because despite his age, he has the ability to POST UP which is a skill needed in the Triangle OFFENSE

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Reggie Jackson isn't worth the max and LaMarcus Aldridge seems set on finishing his career in Portland. And aside from Aldridge, no upcoming free agents would be worth that.

Is 4yrs 50mil the max? Seems like a decent contract for somebody with good upside. Also they are expecting a cap increase in 2016.

Maybe for a non-allstar who just fulfilled his rookie contract. If that's all it'd cost to get Reggie Jackson, I'd do it.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Reggie Jackson isn't worth the max and LaMarcus Aldridge seems set on finishing his career in Portland. And aside from Aldridge, no upcoming free agents would be worth that.

Is 4yrs 50mil the max? Seems like a decent contract for somebody with good upside. Also they are expecting a cap increase in 2016.

Maybe for a non-allstar who just fulfilled his rookie contract. If that's all it'd cost to get Reggie Jackson, I'd do it.

If they can upgrade at PG for that price I'd be ecstatic. They need a lot of pieces. This would be a good start at a reasonable price.

Agreed. I presumed max for Reggie Jackson would be more than $50 million. If it is, that would give me pause because he hasn't really proven anything and guys seldom realize play better in NY than they did with their previous team. Given the dearth of talent we have and the lack of appealing options, we might have to settle on Jackson on his terms.

Harden has been challenging the most points in a season and FT's in the entire league since he has left OKC
Even when he played as a 6th man, he was in the top of the league in OKC

His ability to penetrate, draw 2-3 and possibly more defenders, and finish with contact opens things up for his entire team
Harden is a franchise player, while Reggie Jackson could be a solid PG

Regardless, I could see why he would fit, with his size and ability to play both PG/SG, with Calderon at times, makes him a good fit

I do believe that Tony Wroten's ability to penetrate/finish resembles Harden, John Wall, and Manu Ginobili much more than Reggie Jackson
If we do trade STAT at the deadline, to get a large trade exemption, we would be sending assets to do so, can we get Wroten in the process?
IF Philly sees MCW as their PG of their future, and their PF and Center is locked in with the development of Noel/Embid, possibly SF or backup SF/PF in Dario Saric, would they swap for Tim Hardaway JR who is a deadly shooter for Wroten
Most importantly, Wroten is locked in his rookie deal for a couple more seasons, while we could use the cap space to fill our other needs, as he continues to develop and work on his 3pt shot

James Johnson had a great game yesterday, I have been a big supporter of his game, and he showed flashes of what he could do at SF/PF yesterday vs the Bulls, the team that drafted him
We need to find many value players in addition to upgrades in ALL positions, with limited draft picks in our future, we need to find cheaper alternatives at some point while we already overpayd for CA and Calderon
Marc Gasol isn't a max player but will get a max contract from a team

I would prefer signing for talents that will take less than the market value rather than overpay for players with the way our team is currently set up

Thad Young or Millsap at PF
Asik/Lopez at Center

rather than max contracts for Aldrige/Gasol, though I would rather have Aldrige than Gasol at PF if we had to overpay for talent
Maybe even a trade for David West and Hibbert, with only salary cap relief

or

David West at PF
Center (Gasol or Asik/Lopez at cheaper prices)

Roy Hibbert is currently leading the league in block shot with Anthony Davis and has played much better than the past 2 years so for despite the lack of talent on their roster
Vucevic would have been a great fit at PF/C in this system

Will Noah be available in a trade with the Bulls having too much depth at PF/C with the addition of Gasol

Gasol
Noah

Gibson (he is the better defender at PF and fit but comes off the bench instead)
Mirotic still developing in to a Kevin Love type sretch PF, with some post moves

Reggie Jackson embracing the task of saving the Thunder’s season

Yahoo Sports By Adrian WojnarowskiNov 13, 2014 3:25 PM

BOSTON – Reggie Jackson still doesn’t own a car. He drives a Hyundai on a sweetheart lease with an Oklahoma City dealership. He’d use a moped, but understands that’s probably a bad idea. He shops for his clothes on the Macy’s and H&M clearance racks, forever searching for the double markdown – red sticker clumped upon red sticker.

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“I just need to look presentable on the walk from the bus into the arena,” Jackson told Yahoo Sports. “My goal every day, basically, is to not get fined for the dress code. I’ve never needed much.

“I’m a minimalist.”

The minimalist point guard for the minimalist roster. For several more weeks, Oklahoma City must do more with less, and Jackson’s the perfect player to hold together this season. Thrust into one of the NBA’s most pivotal positions, Jackson’s the performer tasked with the biggest burden in building a bridge from playoff possibility to the return of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

On the end of a back-to-back on Wednesday night, Jackson had 28 points, eight assists and only one turnover in the Thunder’s 109-94 victory over the Celtics. He had gone for 29 points and four assists on Tuesday in Milwaukee, but the Thunder lost and these days and weeks are a relentless race against time. The Western Conference is unforgivable, and the Thunder still need to be closer to 50 victories than 40 to reach the playoffs.

“There’s an understanding, deep in back of our minds, that we have to stay afloat, that we have to tread water,” Jackson told Yahoo Sports. “For us, it’s about getting into the playoffs now. The seeding doesn’t matter. If we can get to the playoffs, we’ll be better for this.”

For Jackson, 24, the transformation from sixth man to an impact starter is validating everything that NBA executives and coaches suspected: He could be a star. Jackson turned down a lucrative, rookie contract extension in October, and he’s determined to be a starter in the NBA.

He’s generating a market value that’ll test the Thunder’s resolve in restricted free agency this summer. Every night, executives examine Jackson, and his offer sheet possibilities are climbing into the $13 million to $14 million range. As one Eastern Conference executive told Yahoo Sports: “He’s a bigger Eric Bledsoe – and probably better.”

For now, Jackson’s set those summer scenarios aside, sidestepping free-agency questions to discuss the way in which he’s immersed himself into this season, this spectacular struggle. For Thunder general manager Sam Presti, Jackson is one more prospect he scouted properly, drafted, developed and ultimately has to find a way to retain, even when he’s probably outgrown his role and financial affordability in Oklahoma City.

“All the eyes of my teammates, in all moments, are locked in on me now,” Jackson told Yahoo. “They’re looking for direction. It’s been difficult losing some of these close games, but I couldn’t imagine fighting alongside any other guys. I love that we’re not making excuses. I love this challenge of dealing with the disappointment, the challenge of going to sleep thinking about how I can help my teammates and waking up still thinking the same things: ‘How can we win?’

“I love putting that pressure on myself. I love being relied upon for so much. I love being the leader out there, being the coach’s eyes, be part of the chess game.”

Oklahoma City is 3-6, fighting for its season in November, and Jackson has never been so invigorated, so alive. If he’s the center of the offense for the next several weeks – and something far less once Durant and Westbrook return – he promises this: He’s fully engaged and fully down with the cause.

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There’s a belief that comes with Jackson, an adaptability, born of his childhood as the son of an Air Force officer. From Italy to England, North Dakota to Georgia to the mountains of Colorado, Reggie was the youngest of three brothers, forever finding a way to use basketball as a connector.

“I’d move somewhere, and basketball was a way to become accepted,” Jackson said. “I was shy. I didn’t talk much. But around the playground, in the gym, we could play ball and we could start to talk. And then you could get to know me.”

Jackson turned down the security of the extension offer in October – risking injury this season and loss of value – for ultimately a simple reason: He doesn’t need the financial security as much as he needs his dogged pursuit of becoming an NBA starter, becoming a star. Oklahoma City can match an offer sheet this summer, but that’s a dance that Jackson wants no part of discussing now.

“I am still with the Thunder,” he told Yahoo, “and there are no selfish thoughts when I’m on the floor. I am going to help this team win.”

Jackson knows how he lives, how he values faith over flash, and he never needed Durant and Westbrook down to believe he can be this kind of a player. The stage belongs to Reggie Jackson now, and yet he understands, too: So does so much of the burden of buoying these Thunder, bridging them to Durant and Westbrook and beyond.

“I never expected this [role] to happen here, never wanted it to happen this way,” Jackson said. “But I’ve prepared myself for it. The future is unknown. You never know what’s going to happen. This might be a role I’ve got to get used to.”

Perhaps in Oklahoma City, perhaps beyond. Nevertheless, the minimalist point guard is lording over the Thunder’s minimalist roster and the grind delivers him everything he’s ever wanted in basketball. He’s chasing the playoffs, yes, but he’s never been afraid to tell people he’s chasing greatness, too. He promised everyone that he could do this, and he’s delivering on the deed.

Through it all, the bargain racks and economy cars and this suddenly hellbent playoff pursuit, Jackson does confess to one spending indulgence. “Socks,” he said. “I do like to buy socks, like novelty socks. I have drawers of them.”

Reggie Jackson doesn’t need much in his life, but he did need a basketball team that desperately needed him. And until Durant and Westbrook return, Jackson has these Oklahoma City Thunder. All of them, together, are holding onto this season for dear life.

I'm a cheap **** as well. I think I might like this guy already, lol.