Tyson Chandler is a good defender but is a poor fit for NYK with all of our holes, we do not play DEF with 1 or 2 players, we didn't put together a team that could defend together
He also is a poor fit on OFFENSE in the Triangle, so it is irrelevent to what he is doing now in Dallas
He needed a new change and the trade along with him being in a contract year has revived him a bit

Ariza is a player that was a scrub when he was NYK and he likely would have never developed and possibly been out of the league had he stayed a Knick

Channing Frye is a very good sretch 4/5

ZBo, Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, David Lee, became very good players at one point in this careers but struggled as Knicks

Wilson Chandler is the better player than Gallo but Gallo had more hype and more trade value at the time

Jordan Hill was a scrub when he drafted him, he was traded from Houston to Lakers for a 1st round pick and his making 10m per year now

Felton was traded for a 1st round pick from Denver to Portland along with Andre Miller

MosGoV is a solid Center

Even Beno Udrih is a solid backup PG in Memphis but was horrible as a Knick

CA was not worth what we paid for him in the trade to Denver and the extension we gave him and will be in decline before we can build a team that will be a contender under his contract

Jeremy Lin is a PG that is overpaid for ONE season but is just slightly overpaid at 3years 25 total, making him about 8m per year

Copeland > AB, while we traded for AB and could have kept Copeland had we used the MINI MLE for him instead of wasting our MINI MLE 2 years in a row with

Pablo/MWP and Jason Kidd, which is part of the reason why we continue to lack talent in the past years and this year

While we had a lot of talent, we had talents with many poor contracts like Eddy Curry, Marbary, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries (his first contract), in addition to many other big salaries like
Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Fugazy, Shanderon Anderson/Eisley, any many other players

Some draft picks that we traded became

Lamarcus Aldridge
Noah
Gordon Hayward (or could have been Paul George)
Fields and Rautins, could have been Lance Stepehnson (who I think would have also never developed to the player he was had he been drafted by the NYK's)

So yes, had we somehow found a way to keep some of the players and draft picks we traded away, we would be a much better team
But
They were all part of a losing era and losing culture, so the changes have probably helped their careers (at least for majority of them)

As we say all this, we likely will continue to trade more picks in order to build 1-3 contending seasons, possibly even this years 2015 draft pick (cannot trade the pick but can trade his draft rights on draft night or later), along with 2018, 2020, 2022 draft picks, we have no 2nd round picks till 2019 and after already

Lance Stepehnson
Trevor Ariza
Gordon Hayward
Lamarcus Aldridge
Noah

Jamal Crawford
Iman Shumpert
Wilson Chandler/Gallo
Channing Frye
Jordan Hill

Nate Robinson
MosGoV

their payroll would be about 80-100m but that would be another story...

and we would have kept a lot of the picks that we traded away after we acquired CA, especially our 2nd rounders

We were ONE loss away from being able to draft Vuvevic who was draft by Philly whom Briggs was very high on along with many that he convinced here, including me
He would have been the perfect PF/C that could play both positoins, could post up, his the 17 footer and even hit the 3pter if he wanted to work on it, and is a rebounding beast, to go with his ability to DEFEND, get steals/block shots, and is mobile/athletic to play great HELP DEFENSE

CA holds a NO TRADE clause but if we continue to lose, will he reconsider going to Houston where he would make more money since there is no STATE tax there, playing with

Beverly
Harden
CA
Ariza/Terrence Jones
D12

even at times going BIG

Harden
Ariza
CA
Terence Jones
D12

Harden and D12 play PnR while the court is spread with Ariza/CA to space the floor

Houston has many picks and 2 of our own 2nd rounders that we traded, along with draft Koustoas Pap (team option at 5m per year)

RonRon wrote:We had a lot of players that Isiah and Walsh had drafted but were not very good as Knicks

Tyson Chandler is a good defender but is a poor fit for NYK with all of our holes, we do not play DEF with 1 or 2 players, we didn't put together a team that could defend together
He also is a poor fit on OFFENSE in the Triangle, so it is irrelevent to what he is doing now in Dallas
He needed a new change and the trade along with him being in a contract year has revived him a bit

Ariza is a player that was a scrub when he was NYK and he likely would have never developed and possibly been out of the league had he stayed a Knick

Channing Frye is a very good sretch 4/5

ZBo, Jamal Crawford, Nate Robinson, David Lee, became very good players at one point in this careers but struggled as Knicks

Wilson Chandler is the better player than Gallo but Gallo had more hype and more trade value at the time

Jordan Hill was a scrub when he drafted him, he was traded from Houston to Lakers for a 1st round pick and his making 10m per year now

Felton was traded for a 1st round pick from Denver to Portland along with Andre Miller

MosGoV is a solid Center

Even Beno Udrih is a solid backup PG in Memphis but was horrible as a Knick

CA was not worth what we paid for him in the trade to Denver and the extension we gave him and will be in decline before we can build a team that will be a contender under his contract

Jeremy Lin is a PG that is overpaid for ONE season but is just slightly overpaid at 3years 25 total, making him about 8m per year

Copeland > AB, while we traded for AB and could have kept Copeland had we used the MINI MLE for him instead of wasting our MINI MLE 2 years in a row with

Pablo/MWP and Jason Kidd, which is part of the reason why we continue to lack talent in the past years and this year

While we had a lot of talent, we had talents with many poor contracts like Eddy Curry, Marbary, Jerome James, Jared Jeffries (his first contract), in addition to many other big salaries like
Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, Jalen Rose, Fugazy, Shanderon Anderson/Eisley, any many other players

Some draft picks that we traded became

Lamarcus Aldridge
Noah
Gordon Hayward (or could have been Paul George)
Fields and Rautins, could have been Lance Stepehnson (who I think would have also never developed to the player he was had he been drafted by the NYK's)

So yes, had we somehow found a way to keep some of the players and draft picks we traded away, we would be a much better team
But
They were all part of a losing era and losing culture, so the changes have probably helped their careers (at least for majority of them)

As we say all this, we likely will continue to trade more picks in order to build 1-3 contending seasons, possibly even this years 2015 draft pick (cannot trade the pick but can trade his draft rights on draft night or later), along with 2018, 2020, 2022 draft picks, we have no 2nd round picks till 2019 and after already

Poor fit on offense but he'd be tied for our highest scoring big man right now and 3rd highest scorer overall? 4 offensive rbs a game helps the offense too. It's not like Dalembert is a great fit on offense!

BRIGGS wrote:

RonRon wrote:Briggs, how many times will you go back and forth with your opinions?

Over the past 2 years, you have created multiple post each time you changed your perspectives on

CA and his contract
Possible trades for him
What position he should play

Tyson Chandler and the Dallas trade

Iman Shumpert

JR Smith

STAT

Felton

Felton vs Caldeorn

Caldeorn

Tim Hardaway JR and his role

The direction of The Knicks

and

I am sure I am missing much more

I'm not sure--when you post a lot and you don't wear rose-colored glasses yet you are a diehard fan--sometimes there are different perspectives. I don't remember ever breaking your cahones- so I'd appreciate if you left mine alone:)

I enjoy your posts, I don't mean to offend you Briggs
Out of all the posters here, I respect your posts and analysis the most, even at times when I disagree with them

But you have flip flopped on your own opinions of the teams higher than anyone
So how do I know which ones are the ones you actually mean, when you can constantly change your opinions from game to game, it has been this way for the past 2 seasons

I give you much credit for putting out your own analysis before the result is in, especially for evaluating NCAA and the NBA draft, even way prior to the draft

Houston owns all of their own draft picks besides for this summers draft pick that is going to The Lakers for taking Jeremy Lin's 15m contract

So in other words, they have what we need, ASSETS

Sending CA out West makes sense as they have the assets and would only meet us 2 games a year in the season and only possibly in the Finals
CA makes more money in Houston and is part of a contender before his years will decline which he knows will come, so I am sure this is something he would agree to

It hurts that we continue to lose because that will kill any chance of players coming here for less $$$ while our tax is the highest or 2nd highest (Toronto?) while the media and night lift is not for everybody
if we are unalbe to lure much talent and fill the positions needed

This is the most compatiable team for both NYK's and Houston, in addition to CA's ability to contend and get more $$$
They have the defenders and in Beverely, Ariza, and D12 to make up for CA weakness's
Harden's ability to penetrate takes pressure off CA and draws double to triple teams, leaving both Ariza and CA for wide open 3pt shots
This would be the most comparable team in which CA has played efficiently as he did in TEAM USA, in which we are unable to construct

Sending him out West makes the most sense, we don't want to send him to The Bulls, where they will be our contenders
It would allow us to do a quick rebuild, get many quality draft picks back, have salary cap to spend efficiently, and by doing so, we will be one of the worst teams this season rather than being possibly in the middle (the worse position to be in the NBA, either just get in play offs or just miss the play offs)

Just saying, if we can get back 3 1st rounders, 5+ 2nd rounders, we might have to send back some of our players like Iman/Tim Hardaway JR but it would give us the best possible chance to retool with draft picks and salary to spend in time for 2017 where there are many qualify UFA's including Kevin Durant/Noah which would be perfect fits in The Triangle
I would try to keep Tim Hardaway JR and build him up, pump and dump him, raising his value after CA is sent to Houston
Hardaway JR hold the most trade value among all of our SG's that we have, while Iman is RFA this summer, and JR Smith has too many bad habits/off the court troubles that limit his trade value if he has any

NO OTHER TEAM can offer us such a package and still contend, while CA would also have to agree to such a trade
He wlil make more money in Houston and contend RIGHT NOW along with the next couple of years before he declines

Instead of looking to penny pitch for Shane Larkin's 1.7m team option, why not send out our highest paid player to get back more than maximum value
We are unable to build a contender if we keep CA, that is the truth

gunsnewing wrote:This thread forecasts what it will be like last year when Shumpert is gone and the perimeter defense of jr, thj and melo is a joke

Its funny dude... you constantly complain about not building through the draft. Yet here we are with our own pick and the Knicks are losing games and your tilting.

Solace wrote:I like Tyson, but we weren't going anywhere with him and Ray Felton. This is obviously a rebuild and I'm happy if we suck and actually have our pick for a change.

Couldn't we do the same with them here

Tyson is an expiring and Felton only had 1 more yr left

F500ONE wrote:

Solace wrote:I like Tyson, but we weren't going anywhere with him and Ray Felton. This is obviously a rebuild and I'm happy if we suck and actually have our pick for a change.

Couldn't we do the same with them here

Tyson is an expiring and Felton only had 1 more yr left

Absolutely. However, Tyson didn't want to actually put forth an effort in an Knick uniform (or at least it certainly appeared that way). Calderon should be a big improvement over Felton. Shame he got hurt, but let's give it a chance. Him starts, and Larkin off the bench isn't terrible. If Bargs can actually play (big if) then Sam can play 20 min or less, which is more what he should be playing. Still pretty awful, but better than Tyson not caring and Felton's corpse.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Solace wrote:I like Tyson, but we weren't going anywhere with him and Ray Felton. This is obviously a rebuild and I'm happy if we suck and actually have our pick for a change.

Couldn't we do the same with them here

Tyson is an expiring and Felton only had 1 more yr left

Absolutely. However, Tyson didn't want to actually put forth an effort in an Knick uniform (or at least it certainly appeared that way). Calderon should be a big improvement over Felton. Shame he got hurt, but let's give it a chance. Him starts, and Larkin off the bench isn't terrible. If Bargs can actually play (big if) then Sam can play 20 min or less, which is more what he should be playing. Still pretty awful, but better than Tyson not caring and Felton's corpse.

Have you paid attention to Tyson this year? It's a contract year and he definitely cares. It's not saying much but he's playing better than anyone wearing a Knicks' uniform right now.

I have, but since the regular season in 2012-2013, he has been a no-show for the Knicks. Of course he cares because of a contract year, but the roster the Jackson inherited was TERRIBLE! He turned 1 piece into 3 usable players plus picks. This year alone those 3 guys should contribute more than 1 player. They didn't have an alternative at point prior to this trade. It wasn't a Sam for Tyson deal.

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

F500ONE wrote:

Solace wrote:I like Tyson, but we weren't going anywhere with him and Ray Felton. This is obviously a rebuild and I'm happy if we suck and actually have our pick for a change.

Couldn't we do the same with them here

Tyson is an expiring and Felton only had 1 more yr left

Absolutely. However, Tyson didn't want to actually put forth an effort in an Knick uniform (or at least it certainly appeared that way). Calderon should be a big improvement over Felton. Shame he got hurt, but let's give it a chance. Him starts, and Larkin off the bench isn't terrible. If Bargs can actually play (big if) then Sam can play 20 min or less, which is more what he should be playing. Still pretty awful, but better than Tyson not caring and Felton's corpse.

Have you paid attention to Tyson this year? It's a contract year and he definitely cares. It's not saying much but he's playing better than anyone wearing a Knicks' uniform right now.

I have, but since the regular season in 2012-2013, he has been a no-show for the Knicks. Of course he cares because of a contract year, but the roster the Jackson inherited was TERRIBLE! He turned 1 piece into 3 usable players plus picks. This year alone those 3 guys should contribute more than 1 player. They didn't have an alternative at point prior to this trade. It wasn't a Sam for Tyson deal.

I'm not going to get into an argument about calling his all-star season a no-show. But you seem to be backward looking rather than forward looking. You keep a player for the 2014-15 season based on how you think he'll perform in 2014-15. You don't seem surprised that he's averaging a double-double. You're basically admitting it was obvious his 2013-14 season wasn't indicative of what we'd get in 2014-15 but then you use 2013-14 to justify trading him before the 2014-15 season.
I'm definitely not seeing all these usable players you're referring to. Maybe the old man PG will help but even when younger he always was in the negative in many areas statistically.

If it makes you feel better to misinterpret what I write that is on you. I didn't say his all-star season was a no-show. I said the playoffs were a no-show (indisputable fact). He got destroyed in those playoffs. Roy Hibbert put HOF numbers up on him in the Pacers series. What was our alternative in the backcourt for this season? Also, Tyson's attitude was very poor last year and in the playoffs when we lost to the Pacers. Perhaps they felt it was better to turn the corner and gamble on some younger talent and a couple plug-ins now. Seems to be the consensus that we were going nowhere fast, so why does this matter so much to the Tyson obsessed people on here? I still find it doubtful he would have the same numbers here. Let's pump the brakes a lil on the Tyson love if possible.