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Knicks1969
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11/10/2014  11:08 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Media crucifix not needed. The games speak for themselves.

I'd rather them lose running the triangle than abandon it.

This will develop into something meaningful.

problem is they are losing NOT running the triangle

This is true.The triangle is not being consistenly run. Most of the players on the team run around like headless chickens. Melo did not always do the right thing in terms if the set offense, but I was a few rows behind the basket and saw him trying to direct traffic a lot, which most people on here asked for today. Either it wasn't on TV on people are choosing to neglect it. In addition, many times when Melo had the ball in the post the rest of the team abandoned the triangle and hung him out to dry. Phil said he'll dispose of people not buying in. Melo's stats and actions in the game said otherwise. This thread is pointless.

I am happy to hear that he is now directing traffic when on the court. Butt, That still does not excuse him for not attacking the basket as he should.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/10/2014  11:11 PM
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:nice .... start a bash melo thread when he actually played a good game on both ends.

He played a very good game 7 assists and 9 rebounds. Only thing I would say is he took 7 or 8 shots to many. If he drove to the hoop he might of gotten to the line more which would have reduced his shots taken.

Side note 5 shots for their best interior player.

There is no guard creation on this team so there will be many ugly forced shots since there is nothing generated off penetration.

and who is this "best" interior player?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/10/2014  11:11 PM
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:nice .... start a bash melo thread when he actually played a good game on both ends.

He played a very good game 7 assists and 9 rebounds. Only thing I would say is he took 7 or 8 shots to many. If he drove to the hoop he might of gotten to the line more which would have reduced his shots taken.

Side note 5 shots for their best interior player.

My point exactly.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/10/2014  11:12 PM
Melo was certainly better than before. I'd say he was good in the first half and occasionally so in the 2nd half. He was more engaged. Though I'd say the whole team was a collective brain fart at the end.
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11/10/2014  11:12 PM
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:nice .... start a bash melo thread when he actually played a good game on both ends.

He played a very good game 7 assists and 9 rebounds. Only thing I would say is he took 7 or 8 shots to many. If he drove to the hoop he might of gotten to the line more which would have reduced his shots taken.

Side note 5 shots for their best interior player.

There is no guard creation on this team so there will be many ugly forced shots since there is nothing generated off penetration.

and who is this "best" interior player?

The guy with 5 shots.

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11/10/2014  11:13 PM
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:nice .... start a bash melo thread when he actually played a good game on both ends.

He played a very good game 7 assists and 9 rebounds. Only thing I would say is he took 7 or 8 shots to many. If he drove to the hoop he might of gotten to the line more which would have reduced his shots taken.

Side note 5 shots for their best interior player.

There is no guard creation on this team so there will be many ugly forced shots since there is nothing generated off penetration.

and who is this "best" interior player?

The guy with 5 shots.

oh ... shane larkin. He is pound for pound our best rebounder but to call him our best interior player may confuse some old school folks

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/10/2014  11:14 PM
My frustration with Melo has to do with what I have seen from him the last 4 games. I am expecting much better/smarter plays out of him this season.
Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/10/2014  11:15 PM
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:nice .... start a bash melo thread when he actually played a good game on both ends.

He played a very good game 7 assists and 9 rebounds. Only thing I would say is he took 7 or 8 shots to many. If he drove to the hoop he might of gotten to the line more which would have reduced his shots taken.

Side note 5 shots for their best interior player.

There is no guard creation on this team so there will be many ugly forced shots since there is nothing generated off penetration.

and who is this "best" interior player?

The guy with 5 shots.

oh ... shane larkin. He is pound for pound our best rebounder but to call him our best interior player may confuse some old school folks

Interior player

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11/10/2014  11:17 PM
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Vmart wrote:
mreinman wrote:nice .... start a bash melo thread when he actually played a good game on both ends.

He played a very good game 7 assists and 9 rebounds. Only thing I would say is he took 7 or 8 shots to many. If he drove to the hoop he might of gotten to the line more which would have reduced his shots taken.

Side note 5 shots for their best interior player.

There is no guard creation on this team so there will be many ugly forced shots since there is nothing generated off penetration.

and who is this "best" interior player?

The guy with 5 shots.

oh ... shane larkin. He is pound for pound our best rebounder but to call him our best interior player may confuse some old school folks

Inferior player

worse than larkin ... ummmm ... give me a minute ... I think I got it ... JR!! whew!

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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11/10/2014  11:17 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Media crucifix not needed. The games speak for themselves.

I'd rather them lose running the triangle than abandon it.

This will develop into something meaningful.

problem is they are losing NOT running the triangle

This is true.The triangle is not being consistenly run. Most of the players on the team run around like headless chickens. Melo did not always do the right thing in terms if the set offense, but I was a few rows behind the basket and saw him trying to direct traffic a lot, which most people on here asked for today. Either it wasn't on TV on people are choosing to neglect it. In addition, many times when Melo had the ball in the post the rest of the team abandoned the triangle and hung him out to dry. Phil said he'll dispose of people not buying in. Melo's stats and actions in the game said otherwise. This thread is pointless.

I am happy to hear that he is now directing traffic when on the court. Butt, That still does not excuse him for not attacking the basket as he should.

I agree with you that he needs to attack more. The spacing on the floor is poor though. There really isn't anywhere to go. Until we get some players that can make outside shots with some consistently nobody will be able to drive to the basket. I can't honestly think of a team that does this with at least a few players that can make midrange jumpers or threes. I had unrealistic hopes going into the year. A good 4-5 guys on the roster belong in the d-league. The team lack talent. Very disappointing.

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11/10/2014  11:24 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:Media crucifix not needed. The games speak for themselves.

I'd rather them lose running the triangle than abandon it.

This will develop into something meaningful.

problem is they are losing NOT running the triangle

This is true.The triangle is not being consistenly run. Most of the players on the team run around like headless chickens. Melo did not always do the right thing in terms if the set offense, but I was a few rows behind the basket and saw him trying to direct traffic a lot, which most people on here asked for today. Either it wasn't on TV on people are choosing to neglect it. In addition, many times when Melo had the ball in the post the rest of the team abandoned the triangle and hung him out to dry. Phil said he'll dispose of people not buying in. Melo's stats and actions in the game said otherwise. This thread is pointless.

I am happy to hear that he is now directing traffic when on the court. Butt, That still does not excuse him for not attacking the basket as he should.

I agree with you that he needs to attack more. The spacing on the floor is poor though. There really isn't anywhere to go. Until we get some players that can make outside shots with some consistently nobody will be able to drive to the basket. I can't honestly think of a team that does this with at least a few players that can make midrange jumpers or threes. I had unrealistic hopes going into the year. A good 4-5 guys on the roster belong in the d-league. The team lack talent. Very disappointing.

I agree. The talent level is not that good.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/10/2014  11:53 PM
+1 on everything SwishandDish13 posted in this ridiculous thread.
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11/11/2014  9:00 AM
tkf, is this thread you? No, even tkf would know watermelon is not exactly inoffensive.
But if not tkf, why is a Melo lover starting a thread like this?


All I heard in the first half was how many times Melo's D stopped Milsap.

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11/11/2014  9:03 AM
jrodmc wrote:tkf, is this thread you? No, even tkf would know watermelon is not exactly inoffensive.
But if not tkf, why is a Melo lover starting a thread like this?


All I heard in the first half was how many times Melo's D stopped Milsap.

I'm sure the Hawks broadcaster were saying you can't stop him you can only hope to contain him.

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11/11/2014  9:16 AM

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11/11/2014  10:42 AM
jrodmc wrote:tkf, is this thread you? No, even tkf would know watermelon is not exactly inoffensive.
But if not tkf, why is a Melo lover starting a thread like this?


All I heard in the first half was how many times Melo's D stopped Milsap.

Here is Phil Jackson describing Melo's game thus far; which is no different than what I am complaining about in this thread:

On Monday, the Zen Master expanded on that point, getting specific about what he’d like to see Anthony improve on.

Here is Anthony’s to-do list, in Jackson’s words:

More energy on defense: “There’s a certain amount of energy that players can give on the court, activity level, that I think is really required to lead a team. ... The word 'defense' sometimes means non-aggressive, but [good defenders are] really aggressive. This is really what changes up the game, the teams that are willing to expend a lot of energy on defense. So I’m encouraging Carmelo in that aspect.”

Attack the offensive glass: “I’m encouraging him in the aspect of offensive rebounding. There’s a pattern that [is in] every sequence of actions that we operate in in this offense, where there’s a rebounding responsibility, and so when I see in situations where players are not rebounding and their role is to rebound, I’m very diligent about the fact that they have to go through with their roles.”

Be cognizant of ball movement: “What’s the timing about it, how do you time up this offense. This offense is run on a 4:4 beat ... you have a two-count to be a continual threat, and after a two-count, if you’re still holding the ball, you’re holding up the offense. So the ball’s got to move and you have to move it. ... It’s breaking a habit, and sometimes that’s not so easy. I think that’s what Melo’s going to improve [in] his game as he gets that rhythm and that knowledge of, yeah, I’m starting to be aggressive and take a shot or activate this offense in another way.”

Staying within the system: “There were times in the course of the night [while Phil was coaching] when either Michael or Kobe, our primary scorers, would be operating with [the mindset] of, 'I'm going to score every time I touch the ball.' You can't do that in an offense -- then the defense can cue up on what you're doing. ... This is a fine balance, and I've talked to Carmelo a little bit about that. The team looks to you to score, and there are times where you're going to have to pick it up and do that, but for the most part the opportunities are there and you have to be inside that system and play within it.”

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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11/11/2014  10:55 AM
Knicks1969 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:tkf, is this thread you? No, even tkf would know watermelon is not exactly inoffensive.
But if not tkf, why is a Melo lover starting a thread like this?


All I heard in the first half was how many times Melo's D stopped Milsap.

Here is Phil Jackson describing Melo's game thus far; which is no different than what I am complaining about in this thread:

On Monday, the Zen Master expanded on that point, getting specific about what he’d like to see Anthony improve on.

Here is Anthony’s to-do list, in Jackson’s words:

More energy on defense: “There’s a certain amount of energy that players can give on the court, activity level, that I think is really required to lead a team. ... The word 'defense' sometimes means non-aggressive, but [good defenders are] really aggressive. This is really what changes up the game, the teams that are willing to expend a lot of energy on defense. So I’m encouraging Carmelo in that aspect.”

Attack the offensive glass: “I’m encouraging him in the aspect of offensive rebounding. There’s a pattern that [is in] every sequence of actions that we operate in in this offense, where there’s a rebounding responsibility, and so when I see in situations where players are not rebounding and their role is to rebound, I’m very diligent about the fact that they have to go through with their roles.”

Be cognizant of ball movement: “What’s the timing about it, how do you time up this offense. This offense is run on a 4:4 beat ... you have a two-count to be a continual threat, and after a two-count, if you’re still holding the ball, you’re holding up the offense. So the ball’s got to move and you have to move it. ... It’s breaking a habit, and sometimes that’s not so easy. I think that’s what Melo’s going to improve [in] his game as he gets that rhythm and that knowledge of, yeah, I’m starting to be aggressive and take a shot or activate this offense in another way.”

Staying within the system: “There were times in the course of the night [while Phil was coaching] when either Michael or Kobe, our primary scorers, would be operating with [the mindset] of, 'I'm going to score every time I touch the ball.' You can't do that in an offense -- then the defense can cue up on what you're doing. ... This is a fine balance, and I've talked to Carmelo a little bit about that. The team looks to you to score, and there are times where you're going to have to pick it up and do that, but for the most part the opportunities are there and you have to be inside that system and play within it.”

I am goddamn sick and tired of these constant bashing comments about Melo! Enough already. Here you have yet another thread trying to pick apart his game and it is disgusting. You people are sick, totally obsessed with finding any fault you can in Melo's game. SMH!!!

What?

Phil Jackson said those things?

uh .... never mind

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11/11/2014  11:16 AM
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Knicks1969 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:tkf, is this thread you? No, even tkf would know watermelon is not exactly inoffensive.
But if not tkf, why is a Melo lover starting a thread like this?


All I heard in the first half was how many times Melo's D stopped Milsap.

Here is Phil Jackson describing Melo's game thus far; which is no different than what I am complaining about in this thread:

On Monday, the Zen Master expanded on that point, getting specific about what he’d like to see Anthony improve on.

Here is Anthony’s to-do list, in Jackson’s words:

More energy on defense: “There’s a certain amount of energy that players can give on the court, activity level, that I think is really required to lead a team. ... The word 'defense' sometimes means non-aggressive, but [good defenders are] really aggressive. This is really what changes up the game, the teams that are willing to expend a lot of energy on defense. So I’m encouraging Carmelo in that aspect.”

Attack the offensive glass: “I’m encouraging him in the aspect of offensive rebounding. There’s a pattern that [is in] every sequence of actions that we operate in in this offense, where there’s a rebounding responsibility, and so when I see in situations where players are not rebounding and their role is to rebound, I’m very diligent about the fact that they have to go through with their roles.”

Be cognizant of ball movement: “What’s the timing about it, how do you time up this offense. This offense is run on a 4:4 beat ... you have a two-count to be a continual threat, and after a two-count, if you’re still holding the ball, you’re holding up the offense. So the ball’s got to move and you have to move it. ... It’s breaking a habit, and sometimes that’s not so easy. I think that’s what Melo’s going to improve [in] his game as he gets that rhythm and that knowledge of, yeah, I’m starting to be aggressive and take a shot or activate this offense in another way.”

Staying within the system: “There were times in the course of the night [while Phil was coaching] when either Michael or Kobe, our primary scorers, would be operating with [the mindset] of, 'I'm going to score every time I touch the ball.' You can't do that in an offense -- then the defense can cue up on what you're doing. ... This is a fine balance, and I've talked to Carmelo a little bit about that. The team looks to you to score, and there are times where you're going to have to pick it up and do that, but for the most part the opportunities are there and you have to be inside that system and play within it.”

I am goddamn sick and tired of these constant bashing comments about Melo! Enough already. Here you have yet another thread trying to pick apart his game and it is disgusting. You people are sick, totally obsessed with finding any fault you can in Melo's game. SMH!!!

What?

Phil Jackson said those things?

uh .... never mind

Well the 3rd person in me says

Phil is criminally dangerous here


Did Dolan do a background check before hiring Phil

Checking all his public records

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11/11/2014  11:28 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/11/2014  11:29 AM
jrodmc wrote:tkf, is this thread you? No, even tkf would know watermelon is not exactly inoffensive.
But if not tkf, why is a Melo lover starting a thread like this?


All I heard in the first half was how many times Melo's D stopped Milsap.

I don't care about the Melo bashing.....Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, regardless if it's on or off base.

But what does the title (Watermelon) have to do with Melo's play?

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