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11/1/2014  1:53 PM
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"


The move is at best "risky". Also keep in mind Phil didnt offer an extension for Shumpert either. The team has enough cap space to have retained both and spend during free agency. And if needed both players could have been traded to create the space.

So what you're saying this move

Errors on the side of bad and this may not


Have been the only bad move he's made thus far

As in he is capable of making bad moves


I prefer the term "risky" since Phil is clearly giving up on controllable items in the hopes of something that is 100% ungaranteed.
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11/1/2014  1:56 PM
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nixluva wrote:I thought they would pick up the option but in the end we have no idea what Phil's plan really is and how he sees Larkin's value in that overall scheme. I like Larkin but at the same time he's not the only possible option Phil will have. He can always find another backup PG since he does still have Calderon on board who he knows is capable of playing starting PG and could move to a real quality backup if Phil gets a new starting PG in here. This move doesn't in any way hinder our path going forward.

It's a odd move because it automatically limits the team. Larkin is gonna have the "young with upside" tag for at least two seasons....why NOT commit to one of those? He can absolutely be trade even if he bombs completely. While we dont know Phil's thinking, we do know what he cannot do....he cant resign Larkin for more than that 1.7 next season and this move makes Larkin an unrestricted free agent, so he's essentially allowing a young player walk, the same young player that we all believed triggered the trade in the first place.

If Larkin develops with these minutes as a starter which all eyes will be on, every other team will certainly try to sign him next season, and being unrestricted...we cant match or resign him.

Just think if Melo gave back more than $1.4mil

We could have kept Larkin while not thinking twice


Funny how Phil talked of Melo's give back providing some future flexibility

But as soon as he was inked we traded Outlaw with GOLD to rid his salary


And won't pickup Larkin as it appears we're counting every penny going forward

In the end I agree with this move because Larkin should prove he's worth the pay


Besides does anyone think we can't find a Larkin replacement

Are we and the great Phil Jackson that limited going forward


The salary giveback is interesting looking at this situation going forward, but as I'll always say...winning cures all.
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11/1/2014  1:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2014  2:00 PM
nixluva wrote:Even the BEST GM's in history have bad moves on their record!!! Right now we don't know what this will end up being so there's no way to grade the move. We can only wait and see what Phil does. He obviously thought long and hard about it and this was his final decision. There's no way he doesn't know all of the ramifications of picking up options verses not picking them up. This is literally all he and his staff have to do so i'm sure they talked it over and over weighed against other options and this is what they decided.

No Nix Phil and the Trust

Paper, Rocked, Scissored Larkin's option


The whole wait and see approach is part of your MO

You love to see what ends up happening only then


To fit or change the narrative into an absolute positive slant

Some moves are discernible in a Proactive state


But if moves are judged in Reactive states

Then it would have been nice of you to have taken


The same stance when we traded for Bargnani

You know zip your lips until we knew for sure

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11/1/2014  4:32 PM
If he leaves he leaves. I wouldn't get to worked up about it.
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11/1/2014  4:40 PM
Vmart wrote:If he leaves he leaves. I wouldn't get to worked up about it.

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11/1/2014  5:41 PM
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knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.

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11/1/2014  5:49 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.
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11/1/2014  6:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2014  6:49 PM
I'm disappointed but some of you are right -- no idea what Phil has in mind for the future and what effect this decision will have. I'm sure (at least I'm hoping) that they have several scenarios worked out on a blackboard somewhere already regarding this team's future (plans A, B, C, D...right on down the line). Not only for this summer but for the summer of 2016 as well. So yeah, maybe we do need all available cap room to make some of these plans a reality... However, as of right now on sheer potential alone and considering the cost, I think you pick up his option. I have trouble believing his miniscule salary, comparatively speaking, would really impair our ability to pull off a big-time move when the time comes (esp. when you consider all the options available to teams to tweak a trade i.e. inclusion of cash, our partner in a trade can make concessions to close a deal, a 3rd or 4th team can become involved, Larkin's low-level salary could've made for a good sweetener to include in a trade, etc.), but hey what do I really know? I know this -- there's nowhere to go but up for the kid, the question is how good can he be? Make no mistake--the kid's gonna improve. Bank on it. We're already seeing it. See what happens... In Phil we trust.

I just hope it doesn't have a negative impact on his play the rest of the year. I mean with Jose out for a couple of weeks, we need this kid right now...Shump appears to be in a good place with his situation -- hopefully he can help Larkin get past this and concentrate on basketball, being that they're going through similar situations right now..

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11/1/2014  7:59 PM
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fishmike wrote:what bugs me about it is it eliminates any chance of continuity. Look at the elite teams. They develop and bring people back. How does a renta-year player whos essentially a rookie help us. Why do we bother investing in this guy?

Yep, first all-out dumb move by Phil since he took over. Fisher likes him, and seems committed to developing him- why let him walk? Whats the point in spending all year teaching the triangle, if we're not going to bring any of the players back?


How can you say it's a dumb move when you have absolutely no idea what Phil has planned for our team next year?? I'm 100% sure Phil knows exactly what he's doing.
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11/1/2014  8:03 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Remember when we picked up Billips option for no reason lol

This sucks

I guess no matter how well Larkin plays he is not not part of the future because of his height


You never know. He might be a part of the plan. Phil has to watch what he's spending our money on right now cause he doesn't know who will cost what next year. Maybe Phil had a talk with Shane asking him to trust him until he knows more next year.
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11/1/2014  8:49 PM
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.

The end result is what Phil is able to accomplish by not picking up Larkin's option compared to if he had picked up Larkin's contract. This we will most likely not know until the off season. Larkin can play out of his mind for the rest of the season, but if not picking up his option leads to someone better or a better circumstance then Phil ended up making the right decision.

All the knowledge that we know Phil knows as well. They have been talking about it for a few days so there must have been a lot of thought put into it over the last few days and he came to this conclusion. There must be a reason that this decision was taken over the other.

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11/1/2014  9:32 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.

The end result is what Phil is able to accomplish by not picking up Larkin's option compared to if he had picked up Larkin's contract. This we will most likely not know until the off season. Larkin can play out of his mind for the rest of the season, but if not picking up his option leads to someone better or a better circumstance then Phil ended up making the right decision.

All the knowledge that we know Phil knows as well. They have been talking about it for a few days so there must have been a lot of thought put into it over the last few days and he came to this conclusion. There must be a reason that this decision was taken over the other.


That can be said of any move by any front office, but the end result in this situation involves the player, not what he's replaced by or if at all. It's shortsighted to limit the capability of keeping any player without an evaulation done first. Unless you think keeping a player at 1.7 is gonna cost the Knicks a free agent.
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11/1/2014  9:47 PM
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.

The end result is what Phil is able to accomplish by not picking up Larkin's option compared to if he had picked up Larkin's contract. This we will most likely not know until the off season. Larkin can play out of his mind for the rest of the season, but if not picking up his option leads to someone better or a better circumstance then Phil ended up making the right decision.

All the knowledge that we know Phil knows as well. They have been talking about it for a few days so there must have been a lot of thought put into it over the last few days and he came to this conclusion. There must be a reason that this decision was taken over the other.


That can be said of any move by any front office, but the end result in this situation involves the player, not what he's replaced by or if at all. It's shortsighted to limit the capability of keeping any player without an evaulation done first. Unless you think keeping a player at 1.7 is gonna cost the Knicks a free agent.

newynewy

Proved my point with his statement of

"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


Once again Phil could come set his house on fire

After kidnapping his family and he'd say


"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


It cracks me up some fans dig their feet into the ground to this degree

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11/1/2014  9:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2014  9:13 PM
The Knicks can offer Larkin up to around $3M next year if he has a good year. Actually the knicks can offer 104.5% of the avg salary for the year before. I think that is near the MLE or just under.
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11/1/2014  9:38 PM
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.

The end result is what Phil is able to accomplish by not picking up Larkin's option compared to if he had picked up Larkin's contract. This we will most likely not know until the off season. Larkin can play out of his mind for the rest of the season, but if not picking up his option leads to someone better or a better circumstance then Phil ended up making the right decision.

All the knowledge that we know Phil knows as well. They have been talking about it for a few days so there must have been a lot of thought put into it over the last few days and he came to this conclusion. There must be a reason that this decision was taken over the other.


That can be said of any move by any front office, but the end result in this situation involves the player, not what he's replaced by or if at all. It's shortsighted to limit the capability of keeping any player without an evaulation done first. Unless you think keeping a player at 1.7 is gonna cost the Knicks a free agent.

newynewy

Proved my point with his statement of

"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


Once again Phil could come set his house on fire

After kidnapping his family and he'd say


"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


It cracks me up some fans dig their feet into the ground to this degree

That wasn't me that was nyker4ever. I know the matter of who says it isn't the point, just clarifying. #2 according to you Phil has ****ed up every move he has made so far which cracks me up as well.

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11/1/2014  9:51 PM
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.

The end result is what Phil is able to accomplish by not picking up Larkin's option compared to if he had picked up Larkin's contract. This we will most likely not know until the off season. Larkin can play out of his mind for the rest of the season, but if not picking up his option leads to someone better or a better circumstance then Phil ended up making the right decision.

All the knowledge that we know Phil knows as well. They have been talking about it for a few days so there must have been a lot of thought put into it over the last few days and he came to this conclusion. There must be a reason that this decision was taken over the other.


That can be said of any move by any front office, but the end result in this situation involves the player, not what he's replaced by or if at all. It's shortsighted to limit the capability of keeping any player without an evaulation done first. Unless you think keeping a player at 1.7 is gonna cost the Knicks a free agent.

That's what should be said by most moves from the front office. Get critique or praise for a decision after it plays out and all the details are available to the public on why the decision was made and if it was worth it.

Like I said they have been discussing this for a couple of days. For them to decide this route something persuaded them to do so. Until we know the details on what persuaded them to do so its hard to know if they made the correct decision or not.

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11/1/2014  9:52 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.

The end result is what Phil is able to accomplish by not picking up Larkin's option compared to if he had picked up Larkin's contract. This we will most likely not know until the off season. Larkin can play out of his mind for the rest of the season, but if not picking up his option leads to someone better or a better circumstance then Phil ended up making the right decision.

All the knowledge that we know Phil knows as well. They have been talking about it for a few days so there must have been a lot of thought put into it over the last few days and he came to this conclusion. There must be a reason that this decision was taken over the other.


That can be said of any move by any front office, but the end result in this situation involves the player, not what he's replaced by or if at all. It's shortsighted to limit the capability of keeping any player without an evaulation done first. Unless you think keeping a player at 1.7 is gonna cost the Knicks a free agent.

newynewy

Proved my point with his statement of

"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


Once again Phil could come set his house on fire

After kidnapping his family and he'd say


"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


It cracks me up some fans dig their feet into the ground to this degree

That wasn't me that was nyker4ever. I know the matter of who says it isn't the point, just clarifying. #2 according to you Phil has ****ed up every move he has made so far which cracks me up as well.

Nope


I like the Travis Wear signing

I like him not picking up Shane's option

I like the fact they didn't talk to Shump about extension


Unfortunately he's done some things that were absolute head scratchers

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11/1/2014  9:54 PM
What if Larkin is apart of a trade being worked on and the team asked that his option not be picked up. Just an example of variables that could be in play.
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11/1/2014  10:06 PM
F500ONE wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knickscity wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
F500ONE wrote:
knickscity wrote:His option wasnt picked up because no matter how he plays...Phil has no intention of keeping him. Makes the Calderon deal even sillier.

I think it's a smart move overall

Of course Phil Jackson has final say on things


So if he decided not to pick his option

Up then obviously it's a good move because he can do no wrong


It's "In Phil We Trust" right?

Or should it be followed by "No Matter What"

More like lets see the end result before we come to a conclusion.


But we already know the result now...unless Larkin accepts 1.7 from this team, he wont be back no matter if he play well or not.

The end result is what Phil is able to accomplish by not picking up Larkin's option compared to if he had picked up Larkin's contract. This we will most likely not know until the off season. Larkin can play out of his mind for the rest of the season, but if not picking up his option leads to someone better or a better circumstance then Phil ended up making the right decision.

All the knowledge that we know Phil knows as well. They have been talking about it for a few days so there must have been a lot of thought put into it over the last few days and he came to this conclusion. There must be a reason that this decision was taken over the other.


That can be said of any move by any front office, but the end result in this situation involves the player, not what he's replaced by or if at all. It's shortsighted to limit the capability of keeping any player without an evaulation done first. Unless you think keeping a player at 1.7 is gonna cost the Knicks a free agent.

newynewy

Proved my point with his statement of

"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


Once again Phil could come set his house on fire

After kidnapping his family and he'd say


"I'm 100% sure Phil knows what he's doing"


It cracks me up some fans dig their feet into the ground to this degree

That wasn't me that was nyker4ever. I know the matter of who says it isn't the point, just clarifying. #2 according to you Phil has ****ed up every move he has made so far which cracks me up as well.

Nope


I like the Travis Wear signing

I like him not picking up Shane's option

I like the fact they didn't talk to Shump about extension


Unfortunately he's done some things that were absolute head scratchers

Head scratchers to you because you don't have all the available information that he does. Its fun to play arm chair GM and all, but you get a little too full of yourself sometimes.

All I'm saying take some mindfulness training let it play out first.

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11/1/2014  10:37 PM
Some are saying PGs are a dime a dozen.

In that case, here's a question:

If Larkin becomes a good or above average PG, how common is speed or quickness of his kind?

While guards can be found, the term "speed kills" has been used in terms of NBA strategy. Maybe that trait is more valuable than Larkin is given credit for. Granted, he needs to prove himself, but if he does then his speed may not be something found so readily in other competent PGs.

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Larkin is gone

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